haverholm

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[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

The Ergon

Oh snap! I felt the same as you about "AoI", and I'd completely forgotten about Omega's own bone bird. Good catch!

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

whether Omega even has a body

For plot purposes, apparently he does 😄 In "Arc of Infinity" he gets one briefly. There are also that other time the seventh Doctor was after a coffin associated with Omega. Maybe that's what we're seeing opened here?

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It complicates things that I'm on a Mbin instance, which ostensibly combines forums and microblogging. But the preferred way of handling spoilers vs content warnings differ so much that federating "hidden" content isn't possible.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, her long term purpose certainly was spelled out in the recent teaser trailer!

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

"I see you've been doing the TARDIS up a bit. I don't like it" is an epic burn in the Doctor's ongoing rivalry with their other selves 😄

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 1 points 2 months ago

Edited the post to remove potential spoilers, mBin doesn't appear to federate the edits.

I was already pretty much over the threadiverse for other reasons but this sucks.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This episode was a lot, and only the last step toward a conclusion of the season arc(s). I'm going to try and post as I form thoughts about specific themes...

"The church on Ruby Road"

There are definitely elements carried over from this one into the entire show since then. First, the themes of coincidence and luck, and perhaps by extension wishes (and doubt?). It seems like RTD is still grappling with telling them apart, like with the unfortunate Zufall family who nominally belonged in one category, but were played according to one or several others.

There was nothing Zufällig about the Rani finding the seventh son of a seventh son of a seventh son. That's a traceable anomaly, a standout pattern that portends the specialness of the child. More than an omen, an identical lineage might be engineered to similar effects — in which case we are uncomfortably close to the magical thinking of eugenics.

Our showrunner would make a poor practical magician if he can't separate happenstance from wishes that have more intent behind them, a "gamification" perhaps of randomness, or the methodical identification of patterns in (apparent) coincidence. However, he did also introduce the "technology of rope" in "TcoRR". That's a fairly scientific approach that requires a deeper understanding of a field's taxonomies and the patterns inherent in them.

We might expect that stringency of method from the Rani, and so far it has been suggested as much in behind the scenes interviews. We will have to wait and see if her scientific applications of coincidence shows on screen. I think only then do we have a proper synthesis of science fantasy in the show.

So those are two components from the first christmas special that have set the course for the following seasons. Superstition, and its scuentific formalisation. The third, most glaring one is — all the babies. I don't think we've ever had so many orphans, foundlings, kidnappings, and (space) baby factories in the span of two seasons before... and then there is the baby elephant in the room, the Timeless Child.

Right now, Doctor Who has more unknown parents in play than in your average soap opera. I'm not even going to speculate which are going to be tied up, or how. At best, it's going to be a pattern we won't recognise until it's shown to us.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago

It genuinely doesn't seem to be any ill will. Just last year I read an interview where he seemed upset at the thought of not meeting the Daleks 🙂

Would be nice if things work out and he at least gets the usual three seasons.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, and "The three Doctors" is 100 minutes as part of Tales of the TARDIS. Should be possible in a week or so 👍

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Catching up on Omega is as easy as Rani homework was. His broadcast appearances are pretty scarce.

It's "The three Doctors" and "Arc of infinity" — and again the second one really does feel like homework — plus "Remembrance of the Daleks" for additional credit, even though it's only the Hand of Omega that appears there.

But you sort of owe yourself any chance to watch Sylvester McCoy dropping clues to the Cartmel plan, so do take "Remembrance" if you can!

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'm not sure what I just watched, but it was a pretty amazing bridge from the ISC into the season finale.

I thought there was going to be more of a payoff to the surname Zufall ("coincidence"), which seems to contradict the wish granting thing we got. And at this stage, the Rani doesn't seem particularly scientific, but more like a magician transforming people into ~~newts~~ anything except newts.

The bone beasts were an impressive visual, but I'm not sure what purpose they served other than spectacle? Maybe that's something to solve next Saturday. If not, they seem to be so superfluous the show went to great lengths to show us they literally didn't even leave footprints.

I was not sold on Rogue's love letter from hell, he could have been kept on ice for a later season. Maybe I'm just more sparing with declarations of love, but it seemed a little overblown considering their brief history? Looks like Susan got thrown into the same scene in post, and I think she would have made a weightier messenger.

However, along with all the other barbs about men absolutely not loving other men, and the "girl>wife>mother" sequence of a woman's life, it adds another creepy shade of beige to Conrad's ideal world. I had a good chuckle that all of that is intended to fail in the Rani's larger scheme. Fuck off Conrad, have another pink fat sandwich for the road.

So this episode's deity is just randomly born of humans, and anyway just lies giggling in a cot to feed Conrad's delusion? That was underwhelming, but okay. On to the next theme.

The undercurrent that questioning dominant narratives can crack their grasp on reality is more powerful and relevant than it felt at a first viewing. Where there's doubt there's hope. Especially when the narrator (literally doing a Cee Beebies storytime) is a fascistoid influencer who could have been drag'n'dropped from youtube or tiktok.

And it's of course very RTD to place one of the perspectives through cracks in (normative) reality with the marginalised dispossessed — besides the disabled in the camp I'm pretty sure I spied at least one person in drag. What is the line, "it's easier to see things from the outside"? Glad Ruby found her tribe, and some purpose for her "73 yards" trials.

The bone palace was an amazing set, and the "doubt precogs" (I forget what they were called) clashed nicely with their steampunk Borg design. Why do their elongated tar pit hands remind me of Micky the idiot getting eaten by a bin?

The little things set up for next time:

  • What's up with Poppy? Like an inverse Pinocchio, she was a real child all along, and that's somehow important?
  • Were the Doctor and the Rani lovers once, or something else? That's new, I'm interested how it'll play out, though it feels like saddling the Doctor with a nuclear family, a male heartthrob, and a distant female ex is a bit much for one episode?
  • Considering Mel's bin was full of doubtful former mugs, I'm guessing she has more of a role to play with the dispossessed than we saw here.

That big reveal: Omega. Really? I thought he was an empty suit of armour in a black hole. Guess not 🤷

Sutekh had a bunch of story potential that wasn't cashed in on in last season finale. Maybe this will be the opposite, but right now I couldn't care less about Omega. There are so many other fish to fry in this story, and he's just leftovers from ~~30~~ 50 years ago.

This may sound overly negative, but as a whole I actually enjoyed the episode a lot. The middle third is never going to be as impressive as the start or end, but "Wish world" kept the mystery going and raised the stakes a good deal in the process.

Can't wait until the final episode.

[Edit: forgot just how long ago "The three Doctors" was]

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 months ago

Conrad as a mold for Rassilon

That was a joke, but now that I've slept on it... Wasn't Conrad's line in "Lucky day" —"Get off my planet" — exactly what the Doctor told Rassilon in "Hell bent"?

 

Random fact I just realised about this episode — the "spooky kid" Belinda saw in the alley as she was running through Lagos? She's played by Sienna-Robyn Mavanga-Phipps, who was Captain Poppy in "Space babies". The character is even credited as "Poppy" in "The story & the engine".

Please don't @ me about your great intense love (or otherwise) for "Space babies"... but let's just sit for a second with what a deep, weird cut this is. I have no idea how or if it's going to tie in with anything, ever.

 

Some different looks at the making of "The story & the engine" than you may have seen in DW unleashed (and a couple of repeats).

There are some nice behind the scenes footage, especially of the camaraderie between the barbershop actors; an art department interview, and short sitdowns with Gatwa, Sethu, and Martin.

Stick around for another cheeky cameo in the "don't forget to click and subscribe" part, too 🙂

 

This is one I inherited from my late brother. I have a handful of his half obscure vinyls that I pull out every once in a while, with no real clue what the madman got his hands on and why.

I was surprised how much I dug this abstract, ambient piece of black metal/noise. It could well score a particularly nasty, late David Lynch experiment. The orchestral synths and howling chorals supplement the walls of drone really well.

Not that this is a pleasant listen — I'm quite sure it wasn't meant to be — but it's surprisingly adventurous, and with particularly non-euclidic angles to its soundscapes.

 

While Lucky Day came to a kind of resolution, it also left viewers with a feeling of unease as Anita Dobson's enigmatic Mrs Flood freed Conrad from incarceration for reasons that are as-yet unclear – but will be explained soon.

"I can say that Jonah comes back – the battle is not won," teased Gibson on last night's episode of The One Show.

"He comes back and Russell [T Davies] has written an amazing script, as always. I come back as well and I'm reunited with the Doctor and Belinda, played by Varada Sethu."

 

In Dot and Bubble, the Doctor is a victim of racism, while in The Story and the Engine, the "colour of his skin is part of how he interacts with people".

Ellams added: "I just want to see more stories like that, that are deeply nuanced and personable and rich, but don't get in the way of the Doctor’s primary objectives, which is to save the day, regardless of who's in front of him."

—From Radio Times: Doctor Who writer reveals why next episode is a companion piece to Dot and Bubble

The moral of the story is to give credit where it’s due. And I took that little idea and expanded it, and really drew it out. It is a huge story, but also a very simple that sits on a lot of social history. It’s one location, a lot of fun, a lot of mythology written into it, but a new myth too.

I guess what I’m trying to show is a little bit of the magic of Lagos, a little bit of the sparkles that exist when you choose to discover it. Doctor Who is full of incredible stories, and this is what happens in barber shops. Incredible stories are told. So, I was trying to unite them all.

—From Cult Box: Doctor Who ‘The Story & The Engine’: always give credit where it’s due

 

I know this comes up regularly, I don't need an originality badge to play or post one of my favourite bands 🙂

First came upon these guys a couple years after this record came out. Blew my mind wide open, and I haven't bothered closing it since.

 

It’s strange, in many ways, to be back, or at least back under these circumstances, watching Doctor Who tick down to the first time since Time of the Doctor [2013] that an episode will air when the next episode hasn’t been shot. And that was a two week period towards a commissioned episode—Deep Breath shot in January [2014]. Here we head towards the great unknown, perhaps even the wilderness. It’s faintly unsettling—I’ve not written about Doctor Who in a moment where it might not come back before.

— Elisabeth Sandifer, in her review of "The robot revolution"

I'm not going to wallow in predictions of doom and gloom here, just note that what Sandifer outlines here is fairly out of the ordinary. It certainly shows that the joint venture with Disney hasn't played out as expected.

To rewind a little, when Russell T Davies returned as a showrunner, he announced that an initially two-season distribution deal with Disney+ would guarantee a steady pace of one season plus a christmas special per year, no gap years.

The part of this not spoke out loud was the implied expectation that Disney would be blown away by the first new season and just set up a recurring allowance. In that case, the BBC, Davies, and Bad Wolf Productions would get to work on season 3 and 4 before the second one had even aired. It seems everybody expected to start shooting early this year; Ncuti Gatwa said as much on a talk show.

Well... that didn't happen, in part because the streaming market has gotten ever tighter, but presumably also due to the show not quite performing to Disney's expectations — Gatwa's live remarks were edited out in the streaming version. Instead, the House of the Mouse has decided to remain undecided on future funding until season 2 has aired. So you see that planned production buffer that ensured yearly seasons without gaps? Yeah, no. That's because it isn't there anymore.

Even if Disney agree to distribute another season or two, we should definitely expect a gap year until we see new Who episodes again (not counting the upcoming War between the land and the sea spin-off). First hitch is, if the BBC doesn't secure another deal with Disney, they'll have to find a new funding partner. The Beeb is in fairly dire financial straits, certainly in terms of producing a costly, effects-heavy show like Doctor Who.

Second hitch — leaving an in-demand young star like Ncuti Gatwa hanging when he expected to be working through the first half of the year could turn out to cost Doctor Who its lead. Gatwa will be playing on stage during fall, so that's pretty much any slim hope of a christmas special for 2025 shot down. The rumour mill has it he has checked out of the show entirely by now, but that remains unconfirmed.

Overall it seems we need to acknowledge that Davies' grand plan has suffered a severe setback. Maybe a new season will appear in 2027 at the earliest? But then. with what international partner? And featuring which actor in the lead? We're in for interesting times, I suppose.


Note: I didn't source all information in the above beside the Sandifer quote, but I'm 99% certain I can dig up references to support everything without resorting to pure speculation. Or, a quick online search could get you similar results without me having to :)

Also, I know our mod @ValueSubtracted@startrek.website isn't keen on speculation and Fantasy Football-esque media analyses, so give me a heads up if this is completely OT for this community.

 

At a time where the show's broadcast viewership appears to dip lower than ever before (specifically with the objectively amazing episode "Lux", and the most recent "Lucky day"), let's take this as a positive sign that the show has a larger audience on other platforms.

To what extent this correlates with streaming audiences, I can't be sure. Nor do I care to compare this subscription number to those of outrage peddling youtubers who have waged a scare campaign that the show is somehow dead.

Edited to add a link to the ratings for "Lucky day".

 

It's all in the title. Basically, anybody who doesn't celebrate probably should, or are part of the problem.

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