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Is this behavior just directed at you, or do you notice other people also get treated this way? Is this a recent development, or has she been this way a long time? Sometimes when folks get older, becoming more combative for no reason or losing a filter can be early signs of dementia. It may be worth bringing up to your parent(s) privately to let them know you're concerned about Grandma's behavior and if it could be a health issue. If it's a long time thing, especially one that's targeted at you, well, maybe that's time for a different conversation about why your Grandma has been picking on you so much.

OP is literally a Trump supporter

I don't put much stock in post votes, but I don't think a majority popular comment that the person I was replying to already agreed with is, uh, getting blowback. Honestly you seem to be the most hostile one here. If you'd read any of the lovely conversations I've already had with folks here, you'd understand that I haven't blamed anyone for this joke, I am simply communicating what I have heard in the community, and I don't have any expectations of changes in behavior as a result of this.

It's not bigotry to call out jokes on the internet, btw. For someone fighting a war on behalf of us all I'd figure this would be lower priority!

I'm going to stop responding to you since you don't seem to be engaging with the intention to actually listen to minorities, ciao!

Why are trans people's feelings less important than feelings of people making jokes online?

I don't want to be arguing here either, that's why I'm politely letting folks know that these sort of jokes may alienate their allies. You don't have to do anything with that information if you don't want to! Don't engage with this at all, and feel free to let me know what material good you've done to fight for trans rights in the time saved, will you?

I'm not here to judge the response of the trans people in that post, that's their business as far as I'm concerned, just posting that it exists. (I happened to be aware of these folks talking about it so I figured it was easy to cite, I'm sure there are plenty of varied responses that are more diplomatic online)

I appreciate the tone as well, but I think it's something that's easier when you're more removed from the issue. As a cis woman, I have the luxury of not being as directly affected by this joke. You can see from my example that trans people talking to other trans people may be much more hurt and angry. If they were trying to explain this in a thread like this, would it be as easy to hold a civil tone? Would someone in your position have the same patience with someone expressing their pain more bluntly as you have with me? Just some things to think about.

Then simple question, why not use First Gentleman? Kamala Harris' husband was Second Gentleman and would have been first if she had won.

You're speaking with a lot of confidence about the validity of the feelings of a group of people who, I'm guessing, you are not apart of.

You asked women or trans people to say otherwise if they disagreed with you- I'm a woman, my friends are trans people, and there are two more trans people as well. Like I said, I can't poll everyone, but neither can you. You can choose to do with that information what you like, but there's literally no way to prove this definitively.

As for the screenshot, the order is middle-top-bottom reading order (which I agree is confusing) or smallest font to biggest font. The middle is an account using "Elonia" as a joke, the top is a trans woman who quotes it calling it out for transmisogyny, and the bottom is a trans man replying in agreement with the trans woman.

I'm just reporting what I'm hearing, I didn't poll every trans person out there on this. I can't share my personal communications, but here are two public trans people discussing this over a month ago, if that helps confirm I'm not pulling this from nowhere:

Hey, just so you're aware, a lot of women and trans people find this joke pretty misogynistic and transphobic since it implies that it would be more demeaning for Elon to be a woman or queer than it is for him to be his regular cringey self. Something to keep in mind so we don't friendly-fire on our allies!

Edit for anyone still struggling with this: if 👏 you 👏 misgender 👏 ANYONE 👏 on purpose 👏 then 👏 trans 👏 people 👏 will 👏 not 👏 trust 👏 you 👏

ThePowerofGeek, you're great and appreciated and I hope you don't read anything below from the people who want you to have a worse reaction so their feelings don't get hurt vicariously.

Who's to say if it didn't change anything? If it keeps their camp in even slightly more disarray and distrust, the inefficiency in enacting terrible policies could save lives.

That said, I do think this time is a bit different since I believe Bannon is happy to play the role of sycophant, but Elon has a lot of ego going into this. Even with no outside pressure, Trump and Elon are going to have major personality clashes sooner than later.