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Because what makes you think that if Russia didn’t get stuck in Ukraine they wouldn’t invade Georgia next? And then Moldova?

What makes me think that is that Russia has tried multiple times to solve the conflict in Donbas diplomatically, and that they didn't want to annex it in the Minsk agreements. Can you libs do anything but make inappropriate WW2 comparisons?

You do realize that the Ukrainian president does photo ops hugging Neo-Nazis, and that these guys are free to operate and have state backing? Ukraine even gave Russian Neo-Nazis a bunch of Bradleys and told them to attack into Russia proper. Ukrainians right now are living under a fascist regime, one that openly celebrated Nazi collaborating mass murderers.

I can already hear you say "those are not a majority". Well why does that matter if it's official state policy to promote, fund and arm those fuckers?

Obviously protestors have a reason for protesting and the CIA isn't handing out cash to random schmoes. They're just giving money to various groups that organize and support the protest, or they pay for positive media coverage. Groups they've been cultivating for decades. Groups that are coordinated by the US state department and will do basically what the US embassy tells them to do.

Again, imagine you had protests in Estonia, and the groups involved were long-time funded by Russia, and Russian officials made appearances at these protests to hand out cookies and shake hands, and Russian-funded media was riling up the protestors, and some of the people involved are straight up far-right fascists that hate your ethnic group. And then you hear a leaked phone call of Lavrov discussing who's going to be the new PM of Estonia, and a couple of weeks later, shooting starts (no one knows how exactly and nobody is too interested in finding out) and your old PM gets ousted without proper procedure, and the guy the Russians said they liked is in, and the far-right fascists also gets posts, and they hate you. WHAT WOULD YOU THINK?

The 5 billion was over like 30 years as foreign aid which is like pretty common for the US, there are like 50 other countries that also receive aid like this.

Well that's fine then I guess. The US "aids" pro-US political groups with billions of dollars everywhere! How nice.

All those politicians showed up after it happeded as I said.

There are pictures of them on the Maidan. Before the coup. News articles in the western press. What is this kindergarten? Do you have no object permanence?

I don't know where you're from, but I think you also "hate hate Russia with a passion" and it's clouding your judgement, because you live in some alternate reality if you believe all that.

There's an old clip of Nuland where she says the US spent 5 billion dollars promoting democracy in Ukraine. There's also the famous "Fuck the EU" clip of her deciding who's going to be PM before the coup even happened. Then there's her and lots of other western politicians on stage at the Maidan. McCain famously shook hands with a Nazi leader on there.

Can you imagine what you would say if all these things were done by Russia instead of the US?

• Ukraine isn't independent, they got coup'ed by US-backed Nazis and libs and they're now a vassal or the US empire.
• Most European countries would immediately follow the US, as they always do.
• The whole of NATO cannot send enough arms right now, and you think Poland can do it all on its own soon? What are you on about?

"Finally the German war machine is up and running again." What do you guys think? Is this commenter a fascist or lib?