to find new/interesting/novel communities I came up with this - sorts by newest communities on all instances with keyword filter: https://lemmyfind.quex.cc/
Hi there - just a follow up and I appreciate the discussion because I've been thinking about this quite a bit. Bots weren't really a thing on usenet, That was the wrong term - what I should have said was spam - it was just flooded with spam and got worse and worse over time. The closest thing to an interactive bot that I can remember back then was ELIZA (wikipedia), which I daresay you've heard about but that was a local program that ran on your PC for amusement - I suppose it might have been possible to integrate ELIZA-like stuff on a BBS somehow and somebody probably did it but it wouldn't have been anything like the kind of bot you're talking about on social media that's deployed to comment - more just for the novelty value. Sending nonsense to usenet was not well tolerated, ISPs were not the best moderators but they did act on repeated abuse complaints, usually, and the knowledge needed to spoof and circumvent basic controls wasn't widespread then. I think people at the time were just into the fact that you could actually communicate with strangers via computer about all kinds of subjects. There was no point in making an ass of yourself there.
That's the other thing I wanted to emphasize about the difference between Lemmy and Usenet (there are many similarities) -- I am fairly certain there was no community moderation on Usenet whatsoever - it was a free-for-all. Spam, porn, everything. I think the only control was the ISPs who carried UseNet and they did presumably ban users and remove groups / behaviors that were really offensive, although there were plenty of really awful groups. You can imagine how that worked out - people went to facebook because it was "safer" and the structure was focused around individual connection versus community, which was also a big change. I think this difference is important because UseNet really was very cool and very fucked up at the same time. However I think the bad part could have been fixed if there was some degree of community moderation and control.
Ok. I'll stand by and try restarting spam assassin again. Good luck!
Yes, I completely agree that we are vulnerable to bots. The APIs are wide open by design. It will be interesting to see how it evolves but ActivityPub is supposedly designed with this stuff in mind. Yes it's easy to act maliciously and create accounts. There are a million ways to attack. It's a fact of life, sadly. Also probably the natural order - we've been chucking rocks at one another for millennia.
It happened on Usenet. It wasn't a paradise, it was full of spam and trolls and bots. However the fragmentation and self policing of the Usenet groups somehow kept the experience tolerable. Maybe we just expected less. Lemmy reminds me a lot of early BBS days. Not even any spam so far. It's remarkable - but probably temporary. I'm liking it though.
Mastodon is built on ActivityPub and seems to be thriving. I don't see spam or problems there so far. It seems quite civil. It's more like Twitter in format than Lemmy is, but the big instances have dealt with DOS and malicious actors and seem to be coping ok.
Your work sounds very cool. The development over the past few years in data analytics and machine learning is indeed startling when the ability for deception and manipulation is so easily scalable, but I think we will find ways to isolate or mitigate these issues gradually. It might take years and a lot of suffering, but innovation to solve problems is also our natural inclination.
Lemmy setup about is as easy as you could make it. The ansible approach is very simple on Ubuntu. You need a host with ports 443 and 80 open and ssh key login for the server. Happy to help if you need it.
I used BBS systems before Usenet. They were a labor of love. It is absolutely possible to maintain civility and constructive collaboration online, in fact it's the natural order. I wish there were a better word than 'enshittification' to describe the corrosiveness and malice that corporate-controlled social media wrought, but seeing it go from what it once was to Twitter and Facebook was dismaying - shitty, even.
Lemmy is a really big deal. Not only is the threading format and aggregating similar to reddit, BBS and Usenet days, but it also captures the spirit of self-moderation, innovation and user-autonomy that allowed reddit to flourish. Reddit was built and held together by a great deal more than software and hardware. Lemmy has that and it's non-commercial and scalable. It's the best thing to happen to social media in a long time.
I was going to say that hosting a mail server will help you learn to control anger, but your idea sounds much healthier.
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thanks - open source search - what a wonderful idea! Although duckduckgo is tolerable, I used google without an ad blocker a couple of days ago while setting up a new system - wow - the search results are so full of clutter and garbage that it's practically unusable. Google search was useful once - not now.
The main reason ChatGPT is popular is simply because it provides information quickly without a gazillion ads and SEO-driven click-chasing nonsense making the internet unusable. There's no "intelligence" beyond a much better and more intuitive information presentation algorithm. OpenAI is just a search-engine reinvented. We need to open source LLMs next.
gnumeric runs great on any old linux machine - it isn't as sophisticated as Libreoffice Calc but for basic spreadsheeting, it's very fast and lightweight.
gnucash is an alternative to quickbooks for accounting - it's been around so long that it will run on anything and it does the job without sharing your data or bombarding you with ads.
you can always run nmap in the terminal and have some fun with that.
Right, except we aren't trying to "replace" youtube. Those who are prepared to put up with youtube can have it. Same with spez/reddit. If people like those platforms, and happy with them then they can stay there. Those of us who don't care for them can develop communities and content elsewhere.
If you're cool with algorithms showing you ads every five minutes then by all means stick with the commercial platforms, but you're also generally welcome to help build or support a platform that provides a better user experience -- and doesn't use revenue growth as the primary motivator for everything.
Please feel free to add stuff to my rather short list... https://quex.cc/c/recipes