Or maybe some people have trouble empathizing with marginalized minorities who want representation because they've never been in their shoes.
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A) LGBT is/was fine
It is. Some people prefer using a different term, and that is also fine.
B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.
Please do elaborate. Did the problem arise because you used your preferred term and somebody corrected you, or the other way around? Because at least in this post it's been you who has been demanding other people to use your preferred term, not the other way around.
Don’t deflect. Homey (forget if it was you)
It wasn't me, and you could have checked very easily.
So if you can’t accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it’s short sighted of you
So, people can either agree with your opinion or be shortsighted? Is there no room for anything else?
Whether your various queer acquaintances agree with you or not, other queer people like me can disagree, because we are not the Borg. Speaking of consensus, if we have one thing in common it is probably being tired of straight people telling us how to be queer.
Yup. Pharmacare, dental care, eye care. At least prescription glasses are rather inexpensive when bought online.
Another atheist here. I don't like telling other people what to do when they are not harming anybody. Whether association X wants or doesn't want to celebrate Y is none of my business.
Taking time off from work to raise your children is particularly detrimental to your career when you are a father, and I suspect it is one of the biggest reasons why we don't see it more often.
Trying to find the most inclusive name possible that’s apparently ever changing and impossible to remember doesn’t seem super useful
It's useful to the people who are trying to understand themselves and to be seen.
You can use whatever term you like, and let other people use theirs.
It is objectively difficult to support a cause when a) you can’t remember the current “correct” name
Feel free to use whatever term you like the most.
b) you get non-inclusive shamed for not using the (current) right name
Has that actually happened to you, or is it something you fear? I understand how that would be upsetting. Being demonized when you have acted in good faith hurts.
c) you get called a bigot for pointing out either of these things
Gender and sexual minorities have been demonized for centuries and are now finally trying to both understand themselves and to be understood. This process of (self) discovery is slow and in the meantime we will have this alphabet soup until things settle down to simple convenient umbrella terms.
For now, let's try to be friendly and welcoming to everyone.
I'm bisexual and I get why people keep adding letters, inconvenient as it may be to some.
It's easy to say "this is enough" when you already feel represented. You don't need to use a longer acronym than you are comfortable with, but likewise you should not expect others to shorten their acronym for your convenience.
Some gender and sexual minorities are neither lesbian, gay, bisexual nor trans, yet they want to feel seen: they have been hidden, ignored or ostracized for too long. They don't want an umbrella like + or 'queer' to hide under. They are their own thing, so they want to have their own label to recognize themselves and to be recognized.
Once gender and sexual minorities have been understood and accepted more broadly, people within them will organically become more accepting of umbrella terms. But today is not the day. Not yet. Today let's continue to welcome more people until we are all here.
The gap arises where men are able to take more hours, obtain more qualifications, develop more experience
Men are able to, or they are practically forced to? Because when I took paternity leave, I heard managers describe it as a "vacation", which is a term I've never seen used to describe maternity leave. And when I left my job to take care of my second child, my co-workers described it as "career suicide", which again I've never seen used to describe a woman's decision to raise her child.
So I have to wonder: how many fathers out there would rather be raising their kids but don't get a real chance to do so because they know their careers would suffer disproportionately to their female coworkers?
now you’re just googling for stuff
I don't need to Google to learn what happened in my neighborhood. I saw the ambulances and the flowers left by their loved ones in the days after the collisions. Yes, collisions because it's happened twice in the same intersection in the past few years.
"Personal responsibility" is the weapon used by those who feel safe to justify not helping others who aren't as fortunate.
Tell that to the several people who were killed in an intersection close to where I live. Mowed down while they were walking in the sidewalk. Not even crossing, mind you.
If you think nothing bad will happen to you because you are responsible, think again. There is a lot that is not under our control, no matter how hard we would like it to be true.
This is how you started, and it didn't get any better as the conversation continued:
Does that sound like something that "can be even slightly perceived as criticism"? Perhaps there's some room for improvement. You could try not insulting people if you don't like people being offended by what you say.