similar study reported by the ALA. (pdf research paper which also cites PEW research center)
Interesting excerpt:
Gen Z and millennials’ high use of Amazon’s audio-book and ebook paid subscription services poses a challenge for libraries articularly because of “Amazon-exclusive” licensing, which prohibits some authors from distributing their work outside the Amazon ecosystem.
from the article:
Younger generations tend to be more values driven than older ones, and libraries’ ethos of sharing seems to resonate with Gen Zers and millennials – as does a space that’s free from the insipid creep of commercialism. At the library, there are no ads and no fees – well, provided you return your books on time – and no cookies tracking and selling your behavior.
Actually we need to work on that.
Libraries do little to nothing to make browsers defensive w.r.t the intrusive web and some libraries even block Tor, which enables ad surveillance corps to monetize your data. PCs are usually all Windows (which has some baked-in surveillance) and often the systems are hardened so users cannot deploy¹ any kind of self-defense tools. Network users are sometimes blocked from using egress Tor traffic (iow, nothing that threatens the library itself). Library patrons are distrusted more than the surveillance advertisers on the other end. So patrons have to contend with both a spammy web and having their hands tied by excessive nannying.
I was unable to fetch the Debian OS at the library because the ISOs are no longer on the official mirror sites. Someone had to setup a server on a non-standard port. One particular library branch decided it was a good idea to arbitrarily block uncommon ports (WTF). And because the security was outsourced without support, the librarians were helpless.
Although to some extent these barriers might not put off millennials because they never experienced the free, open, and ad-free internet we had ~2—3 decades ago.
There are maker spaces devoted to that around the world called “fab labs” equipped with CNRs, 3d printers, welding gear, etc, but the hourly prices are insane. A library seems like the wrong place for that sort of thing but I’m sure the price is right.
Then study German so you can make sense of the research. Then tell us what it says :)
I recall reading in a kbin bug (which reported that votes are public and should not be) that Lemmy votes are not. So I could have been misinformed.. i did not look into it.
So everyone is stupid trying to run lemmy the way they can
Some people are more skilled than others. Skilled admins know how to avoid CF. Skilled users know how to find instances that are run by skilled admins (non-CF). Unwise users give up something for nothing and needlessly trust and empower a demonstrably abusive tech giant.
Because privacy is more important on a public forum than fighting the bots.
Of course. Privacy is about control not just security. Those bots CF fights are beneficial. The fight against beneficial bots has collateral damage on humans caught in the cross-fire, evidenced by countless discriminatory CAPTCHAs, driven by some protectionist asshole who doesn’t want their data scraped. The fight against bots is harmful to human users; not just because of the discrimination against blind people but also because we lose the benefits that beneficial bots bring us.
But someone for some reason should give you a server for free. … So you won’t contribute, won’t help just nag about everything. ok.
Of course. Money isn’t free. Your expectation that a developer not only contribute labor to the commons but also spend their own money is a perversely absurd demonstration of self-entitlement. If you want a tor version make it yourself and use the high-speed connection you already have to test with.
But you CAN solve the issues of lemmy because you CAN fork it, but you won’t.
Fork it for what purpose? Adding Tor support is useless on a capped uplink.
You trust some random guy from Finland more than everyone else,
Citation needed. I’ll trust any random person more than Cloudflare because CF has proven to be untrustworthy.
When running an instance, everything i follow or subscribe to would be fetched. A server is not going to wait until a user requests a specific article. The timeline will be populated and mirror everything -- more than I would likely read. Lemmy is designed so the timeline is populated and visits to articles are instant. I do not read every single article in any community. As an end user, my client only fetches content I under my micro-control.
If there is a gratis VPS somewhere, I would be keen.. that would open up more options.
Can you? Why don’t you have your own lemmy server and lemmy fork? I’m really curious now, if everything is so terrible here.
I do not have the kind of uplink that can handle that volume.
Ok so cloudflare can see my password hash
No, not the hash. The hash is only marginally sensitive. CF sees your /unhashed/ password (that is, your password before hashing).
everything else is the same as you,
Not at all. Cloudflare /only/ sees my public content, nothing that I listed as non-public. Of course that can change if Sopuli would suddently decide to use cf.
I can live with that if it helps the instance admin manage his free work.
Several instance admins have managed to offer their gratis service /without/ the Cloudflare compromise. So you’ve made a needless compromise in support of a harmful actor.
Afaik CGNAT shouldn’t be a problem by itself.
CGNAT users hit the blockade unpredictably. Cloudflare is anti-bot (that also includes beneficial bots). So if someone is perceived as running a bot on your network CF will either blackball the IP address or the whole range. You could then receive that blackballed IP address.
I know images are not synced to your instance,
There are many reasons why accessing the original post is useful. Images is indeed one of the problems with CF.
Federation is not supported on Tor:
In the free world of FOSS, we are not limited to what is “supported” because people can grab the code and support themselves. There is in fact a fedi client that shakes free of the server and directly accesses servers needed to assemble a thread. This tool was designed to resist fedi politics. It would naturally be blocked when accessing CFd servers over Tor. CF is just another case where a philosophically dubious configuration by a reckless profit-driven corp causes unforeseen collateral damage to human beings and broke the decentralization of the fedi with a purpose-defeating outcome. The fedi was designed for decentralization but obviously a gross oversight that a majority of fedi users are centralized on CF.
Can cloudflare see this? I don’t know how it is important?
You have to decide for yourself what’s important and who to trust. What you should consider though is that by choosing a Cloudflare instance, you needlessly overshare; you extend trust when you don’t need to which is a bad default policy. And you are trusting a massive singular tech giant who also has visibility on ~20-25% of all other web traffic in the world.
I can see the SSL cert of lemm.ee is not from cloudflare, so they can’t see https traffic.
It’s impossible for end users to know whether Cloudflare has a TLS private key. It’s also very rare for Cloudflare not to have the key because it would defeat the purposes admins use Cloudflare for. If Cloudflare cannot see the traffic, it cannot respond to requests and the full load must be redirected to the source host (thus DoS protection and performance benefits are effectively gone). The rarely used option for a web admin to not share their key with Cloudflare is only available to premium customers, which keeps the option rare.
Do you know irl, personally who is the admin of sopuli.xyz? How can you be sure that they are not run by NSA or other countries’ agents?
I cannot know, but it’s far easier to trust one entity than many entities. With lemm.ee you have a diffusion of responsibility problem (i.e. finger-pointing) if shit hits the fan.. lemm.ee claims CF abused your data and CF claims lemm.ee did.
Who?
People whose ISPs use CGNAT, VPN users, the Tor community, libraries and situations of shared IP addresses in general.
You only communicate with your instance,
Not always. Sometimes I need to visit the original source. You cannot rely on 3rd party instances to keep a mirrored copy. Many instances are tight on space and when external content ages beyond a year they do a cleanup. There are also many visibility shenanigans with blocking where you realize you’re not seeing the whole conversation and need to visit original hosts to piece it together.
Which instance cannot reach lemm.ee because of cloudflare?
Any Tor instance would be inherently unable to reach lemm.ee, though I don’t know of any Tor instances myself (have not looked).
There are several ways:
curl -I "$URL" | grep -i cf-ray)Note that your instance (lemmy.dbzer0.com) is free from Cloudflare.
“phone” is more complicated for me.