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This person isn't arguing in good faith. They straight up ignored my reply to try and argue with you. I linked the same documents that came from that same bullshit article they linked to me and they refuse to look at them, they just keep parroting, "proven in court twice! Proven in court twice!"

They're going to argue with anything they see, and they can't be swayed by facts.

“Even if dude were the captain of MS-13, it doesn’t matter.”

being a captain of an international gang that murders and rapes people would matter.

I commented because that guy was tilting you so you started off with this exchange, which did look a little like you were arguing that if he was captain of MS-13, it would make a difference.

I keep getting this weird feeling that disingenuous assholes would be tilting us on purpose to make us more accepting of a world where someone could claim a guy was captian of MS-13, and so they shouldn't get due process. You know, saying something really awful, to get us to concede more than we normally would. Trying to look out.

So... the thing is, you linked a right-wing nutjob site, but! I looked into it anyway because I'm always willing to do that. And if you scroll down to where the rag you're linking says, "which he has disputed in court, are included in the release," you would see the word "included" there is a hyperlink to a justice.gov website, which is the documents involved with the subsection, "2019 detention and bond hearings" to which I directed you.

That document is an officer talking about the other men that Garcia was with, they're suspected ties to MS-13, and then they talk about Garcia. Why was he suspected of being with MS-13? He was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. "Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture." His crime was being in a Home Depot parking lot, looking for work, and wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. And I can't stress enough that the wikipedia link which you found less trustworthy than this garbage, had all of this information!

To continue showing evidence of what I say, here is a link to an actual court document, citing the withholding of removal order. Which was granted. What you're looking for is at the bottom of page 2- "Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10, 2019."

That 'court document,' is the Defendant's Memorandum of Law in Opposition to Plaintiff's Emergency Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Why am I emphasizing that? Because this was filed by the Department of Homeland Security. This is a document, supplied to court, by Trump's administration, which states that the withholding status was granted.

You can send me garbage articles from idiots all day but nothing will compete with, "Kristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security list that the withholding status was granted in an actual filing with the court." And they not only state that it was granted, they do so under the heading, "Statement of Facts." Enjoy.

Finally, the reason that the Barrio 18 was after him had nothing to do with MS-13. They were after him, like they had been after his older brother before him- his mother owns a business, and the Barrio 18 were extorting her.

I'd say I'm looking forward to your next reply, but I'm sure it'll be an extensive moving of goalposts. He had the withholding status. He shouldn't have been deported. The Supreme Court agrees with me. That's really all I need.

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I'm hopping in to say that wikipedia lays out an excellent timeline (that indicates there's no MS-13 connection) and I've been linking people to that whenever they seem to get confused about this potential affiliation.

Just in case that information might help you moving forward.

Hang on. The person above said "Even if dude were the captain of MS-13, it doesn't matter," but the context of that statement was, "because even the captain of MS-13 should be getting due process."

I'm only pointing that out because I think most reasonable people would agree with that. The rest you can complain about, but the idea that everyone should get due process shouldn't be denigrated just because that person then went on to say some tribalist stuff.

Ohmygod I saw the link and all the best parts of my brain lit up.

I will never be able to not read every single comment in a YPTB thread. I just won't.

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On the off-chance that you don't actually know that what you've said is incorrect, here's a link to wikipedia. Skip on down to the section, "2019 detention and bond hearings." You'll see that whatever dumbass told you that a court "proved" that Mr. Garcia was related to MS-13 was saying that ICE found that he couldn't prove he wasn't, once, and they upheld that he couldn't prove he wasn't, on an appeal. Neither of which is proving anything in court once, let alone twice.

Further, an immigration judge granted him "withholding of removal" status. This is notable because it's much harder to get a "withholding of removal" than getting granted asylum, because you have to prove that if you're sent to the country in question, the government will either persecute you, or choose not to protect you from prosecution.

So, to recap, it's not only not been proved that this guy has any relation to MS-13, but it's been proven to an actual court that if he gets sent to El Salvador, the Barrio 18 gang will kill him. Because the only evidence he has any connection to a gang, is that there's a gang that wants to kill him.

I like to imagine a person sitting beside a tree with a notepad, reading positive, affirming comments aloud.

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It took me until 11 to take them but now the day is mine!