dingus

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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 43 points 2 years ago

Haven’t tried since but it’s a deal breaker for me. So I stay with Chrome.

"Google broke functionality in other browsers because of their near monopoly status, so I stick with their near monopoly because its easier."

I mean, I'm sure Google is real glad you've chosen their ~~browser~~ spyware.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

True, but if your repetitive, boring task can be replaced by a well-put-together Excel spreadsheet or a few simple scripts, you're looking at replacing yourself at your own job.

I've definitely seen people replaced by the work-saving scripts they wrote. Corporate doesn't care about pesky things like "maintenance" or "security updates" or even "that command we used in the script is now deprecated." It works well enough now, and now they consider you "redundant."

Some folks keep doing it the repetitive boring way to keep their bosses from shitcanning them for creating something their bosses are absolutely too dimwitted to do themselves. It's never nice to do something that saves you effort and the response is your boss shitcanning you and then saying "I made this."

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Anyone who is anyone has fancy driving gloves, cap, and goggles!

Oop can't forget the scarf!

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago
[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

EDIT: I gave you an upvote here because you don't deserve downvotes for your well stated opinion.


I have done computer work for a bunch of little old ladies, and when they couldn't afford to upgrade to new hardware, I would put a lightweight version of Linux on their computers for them.

Only one of them really struggled with the difference, and she wasn't against learning, she just struggled. The rest handled the transition fine and didn't do a lot of complaining that it wasn't what they were used to. (Probably partially because I made clear what apps were what and put shortcuts to each on their desktop, each shortcut well labeled.)

I don't think it's unusual for people to "get used to" how certain things work and expect that. In fact, I'd say that's pretty normal.

But I think there's far less fear of change from regular people than you seem to think. I see far less addiction to the "brand" of Windows than you might think.

To use the car analogy, it’s like somebody who will only drive Fords, and is terrified of the prospect of getting behind the wheel of a car made by any other manufacturer.

I mean, lots of people are scared as hell of driving a stick shift and refuse to learn.... soooo yeah. I'd say that's a closer approximation. Because a Ford and a Chevy both have steering wheels and pedals all in the same place. You add that extra pedal and some folks lose their minds. Which at least makes sense because it is different.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Those are all true, but they also don't apply to the vast majority of computer users.


  1. Most people don't need the speed of using only command line, especially when the programs they're working with aren't deeply tied to the command line. How is the command line gonna help a regular office drone writing up a new resume? It would be far easier and quicker for them to do it in Microsoft Office instead of spending hours learning how to do it with CLI.

  2. Absolutely you can get more fine-grained information from the CLI, but for the vast majority of users, they won't need to.

  3. Literally almost no regular person has even heard of SSH or will ever need a reason to use it. It's great that it's helpful to us, but I can think of zero reasons most people would need this knowledge for.

  4. You can also install a lightweight version of an OS for this, without needing to just dump to the CLI. Agreed that Windows doesn't really have a light version, but this is also not a necessity. If you're using a system that's old enough to get bogged down by watching a YouTube video, that's kind of a side effect of using such old hardware. In most cases people will have modern enough hardware for this to not be an issue or something the average computer user needs to know. Because most people aren't doing massively demanding tasks on their computers (unless they left a lot of apps open).

  5. It's a great flexibility to have as a developer or as a sysadmin, it's honestly practically a requirement for both.


All of these are super valuable to people who work with computers daily. My hairdresser doesn't give a shit and just wants a computer that functions without confusing them because they went to school for hairdressing not PC maintenance.

I get what you're saying, but you're acting like these things are a lot more valuable to the average user than they really are. They're way more important for people working in the industry, not so much people who just have a computer for writing emails, drafting resumes, and browsing the web.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

My partner got into programming because of learning how to mod games on her Windows PC. The idea that Windows can't be a path to wanting to program is just a little silly.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm not sure, but even with jailbreaking, iOS isn't certified UNIX. It doesn't have a command line shell built-in that you can access easily like macOS.

So I really meant "locked down" in the sense that you're not getting easy access to command line interface that can access system files without jailbreaking/rooting first.

I do think jailbreaking and rooting is easier than it used to be, but I don't mess with iOS devices much.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

I would say it applies a lot harder to iOS than macOS which continues to be certified UNIX and you can go hog wild on the CLI if you really want to.

One of the biggest Linux nerds I know is a mac enthusiast because it is certified UNIX.

iOS is indeed pretty locked down.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Optical Character Recognition has only been around for like fifty years. You can't expect people to just know about it. /s

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The dominance of Office is because it’s better than its competitors, and because getting businesses to change literally anything they do is near impossible. SPSS isn’t even a Microsoft product.

Also, because of the whole Open Office clusterfuck. People still download that shit not realizing it hasn't been supported in years and haven't heard of Libre Office. It leaves them thinking FOSS sucks because of a bad experience.

Most people who can't afford Microsoft Office just use Google Docs anyway.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Just because I have enough admin rights to fix basic issues on other people's computers doesn't mean I'm allowed to just install what-the-fuck-ever on my own computer. Even as someone in IT, our workstations are locked down, even if it's our team that is the one locking them down.

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