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[–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

My mom would be lass lax in making do our homework if we watched whatever Trek she was watching; I was drawing pictures of Picard by the time I was 10. This was in the 2010s.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago

While also caring developing its characters extremely well; I think only DS9 had better character development.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

To be fair, the Kelvin timeline had about 25 years to diverge technologically and aesthetically, considering the USS Kelvin was destroyed in 2233. 25 years is more than enough for the Starfleet design philosophy to completely change - look at the Enterprise C vs the Enterprise D.

The USS Kelvin looks pretty prime - a little fancier because of modern VFX, but not more advanced than the SNW Enterprise. I would chalk down discrepancies to just evolution in production effects; I mean, doesn’t even the NX-01 look more advanced in many ways than the TOS Enterprise? Effects getting anachronistically better in Star Trek is not new, and I don’t think it signifies a “back propagation” of timeline alteration.

Also, I don’t think Kelvin Vulcans are that weird; I think it’s mostly consistent with canon. Spock’s childhood in the film is practically a recap of TAS: Yesteryear, while the Vulcan education system seems consistent with the testing Spock did on himself at the beginning of Star Trek IV. The government and culture feel consistent with most depictions.

Additionally, the idea of infinite multiverses has been canon in Star Trek for a while, heavily suggested with TNG:”Parallels” and outright confirmed in Prodigy and Lower Decks - Wesley even explicitly names the Kelvin timeline as its own parallel universe called “the Narada Incursion” in PRO.

I think the variance in temporal mechanics in the franchise can be chalked up to the different methods in which time travel happens - each method is its own “User Interface” where your actions can affect reality differently. Some of them are more traditional time travel narratives, some are loops, some are parallel universes you can return from, etcetera.

Ultimately, I think the Temporal Prime Directive comes down to what you said; each timeline is its own “world” and it’s just best to leave them alone.

I think the plot of PRO is a perfect example of why the Temporal Prime Directive matters even in less-than-linear mechanics; going to the future can cause the future to alter the past, which causes the past to alter the future again and thus the past in a different way, and so on. Basically, messing with time and realities in any way is a dumpster fire in the making.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

They briefly mention one where Tuvix becomes Captain of Voyager A in Prodigy.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago

In my opinion, it's not that worth it as a beverage; it's best enjoyed in a root beer float. Of course, that makes it even more sugary, but it's at least a pleasurable experience of texture.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

I most frequently have A & W; it's pretty rare we get anything else. I don't think I've had a lot of Mug; I've certainly had some before, but it feels like I see more A & W and Barq's around my area. I don't think I've ever actually been to an A & W; all the Las Vegas locations had been closed for years (and still are) back when I lived in Vegas, and there's only 1 in the entirety of the Phoenix area where I current live.

Honestly, for me, root beer is root beer. Also, I rarely drink it as a standalone beverage these days; I mostly just use it in root beer floats. I'd only really choose it if there was no Dr. Pepper around or I was avoiding caffeine.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

The root beer thing sounds so surreal to me, but it really shouldn't.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your body replaces most of its cells over the course of about a decade, give or take a few years (except for brain cells, which admittedly throws a wrench in my point). What’s not to say it didn’t kill the version of you 10 years ago?

Further more, think of yourself from 1 day ago. Can that exact version of yourself still act on the world, or is that version effectively dead as the result of your mind changing over time? That exact version of you isn’t somehow carried on by soul.

In some sense, the very continuity of consciousness could be viewed as a continual process of death of the old self; all the transporter does is create a brief gap in that continuum.

In a nutshell, we’re always dying in some form as a product of the nature of time itself. Why should we get mad at the transporter?

Maybe the soul is how we transcend these deaths; maybe there’s no such thing as a soul.

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 1 points 2 weeks ago

And like teach the newly unemployed business majors to be actually useful… as construction workers…

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 3 points 2 weeks ago

Reminds me of this delusion I got the other day:

[–] data1701d@startrek.website 4 points 2 weeks ago

I love how the other TOTK subplots are environmental crises, and then we just randomly have drug rocks.

 

EDIT: Accidentally duplicated post. Please see https://startrek.website/post/25896181 for all responses.

EDIT: The Harry Kim thing is more of a joke. This is less a question about Harry Kim and more about Nog.

Something about Nog's literacy history brings up a ton of weird questions in-universe.

  1. How are the Ferengi able to be a functional space-faring species and business empire without at least a little emphasis on literacy?

Even for as class-based a society as the Ferengi, lower level workers have to have at least a little literacy to read instrument panels, repair ships, make sure they're carrying the right package, etcetera.

I think a key example here is Rom, who starts out a relatively typical exploited Ferengi - how would he read manuals to repair a holosuite without literacy.

I see two explanations. One, perhaps by "reading", they're referring to reading of a lengua franca like Federation standard - Nog has learned and is capable of reading the Ferengi language, but not another. When dealing with other languages, the general expectation is either a universal translator is used or they pick it up as they go.

Alternatively, it could be that it is expected in Ferengi culture that reading is just something you pick up on the job rather than in a concerted educational effort.

  1. How did Nog manage to "catch up" fast enough to attain the educational level needed for a Starfleet officer?

Of course, it is said and implied that after the school closes, Keiko teaches Jake and Nog one-on-one. Some education definitely happened off-screen.

Still, Starfleet seems to have educational requirements. In LD:"Something Borrowed, Something Green", Tendi mentions how she wouldn't have gotten into the Academy without having gone to high school, suggesting Nog needs the equivalent of a high school education to train to be a Starfleet officer.

It sounds a little ridiculous to go from being unable to read to a full high school education in less than three years, though that could be a bigger stretch than I'm making it out to be.

I'd say the simplest explanation is probably that again, Nog was more educated than we might interpreting being "unable to read" to mean.

It might be possible Ferengi also have higher-than-human-average neuroplasticity and simply adapt easier - this might even aid in the on the job theory.

So what are your ten cents? Also, it's been a while - glad to be back on Daystrom.

 

EDIT: Accidentally duplicated post. Please see https://startrek.website/post/25896182 for all responses and put future responses there. Also, I have more theorizing there.

 

Hi. Normally , I enjoy the original (or at least lesser-known) memes on here.

Lately however, I’ve noticed that despite the anti-repost rule on here, way too many posts recently have been reposts; many of them very well might literally appear in the first results of an image search for “[insert series] memes”.

Personally, I feel that the purpose of any Trek meme community should primarily be to explore strange new memes; while occasionally reposts commemorating seasonal events (as well as the occasional tastefully-timed time loop meme) are acceptable, I think they should never dominate this community. I am hoping we can reduce that frequency and return to our primary mission.

Thank you for your time in listening to my concerns. Glory to you and your house.

 

cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/22902299

Original by Doohan on TMBW Discord server:

Title a reference to their song "You Probably Get That A Lot", music video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWrcmKsYI8

I know that this one's been tackled twenty thousand million times and you're probably tired of seeing time loop memes by now, but like the urge to stick Gowron eyes on everything in the universe, I couldn't resist this intrinsic urge.

 

Original by Doohan on TMBW Discord server:

Title a reference to their song "You Probably Get That A Lot", music video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWrcmKsYI8

I know that this one's been tackled twenty thousand million times and you're probably tired of seeing time loop memes by now, but like the urge to stick Gowron eyes on everything in the universe, I couldn't resist this intrinsic urge.

 

I recently got a rather pristine copy of They Might Be Giants' 1996 single S-E-X-X-Y, mostly for a few bonus tracks unavailable on streaming. Like, it was in shrink wrap with hype sticker, albeit shrink wrap on its last legs - good enough that the rest of it was still in near mint condition, but too damaged for it to be worth keeping on, so I took a 2400 DPI scan of the hype sticker and removed it. Don't worry - I kept the hype sticker.

I want to keep it very fresh - I ripped the CD to my PC and plan on never taking it out of the case again. For now, I have put a zip lock around the case to prevent it gathering dust or getting fingerprints from handling.

However, since it's an FLP case, I am more worried about the case being crushed than a typical jewel case. While I don't plan on getting too ruff with it, I want something a bit harder.

Thus, I was wondering if any of you guys have any particular strategy for this case?

I've looked into CD display cases, but am otherwise having trouble finding results that aren't just CD jewel cases. I was thinking maybe something like the anti-theft containers retailers keep video games in, if they ever made a CD-sized version.

 

cross-posted from: https://startrek.website/post/22464055

I'm usually not one to beat a dead ~~Reman~~ ~~horse~~ being, but I had to point this one out.

As it turns out, besides also playing background characters in every episode Quimp appeared in, Tom Kenny also played Mariner's ex Malvus in "An Embarrassment of Dooplers", D'Onni in "We'll Always Have Tom Paris", the Ferengi antagonists of "Mugato Gumato", and several background characters in each of those episodes.

 

I'm usually not one to beat a dead ~~Reman~~ ~~horse~~ being, but I had to point this one out.

As it turns out, besides also playing background characters in every episode Quimp appeared in, Tom Kenny also played Mariner's ex Malvus in "An Embarrassment of Dooplers", D'Onni in "We'll Always Have Tom Paris", the Ferengi antagonists of "Mugato Gumato", and several background characters in each of those episodes.

 

In LD S3 E8 "Crisis Point: Paradoxus", the holographic version of Dr. T'Ana was able to recognize they were in late 20th century Earth, seemingly by a single sniff.

I am assuming this is a reflection of T'Ana's actually ability rather than mere cinematic indulgence, for two reasons:

  • We do see T'Ana has enhanced olfactory senses in S2 E10 "First First Contact", as it implies she is able to track Tendi by scent, as well as in S4 E5 "Empathalogical Fallacies" when she hunts the Betazoids.
  • Considering that Crisis Point was built off private logs, while the plot points may be ridiculous, crew abilities and limitations tend to be mostly accurate. We see this in the original Crisis Point, for instance, when Rutherford has to do the magic transport instead of Billups - simulated Cerritos crew members won't do what the real them would thing is impossible.

Anyhow, it makes me wonder if Starfleet Academy has some sort of sensory training courses for species with certain stronger senses. For instance, T'Ana might have had the option to take a course working with smell samples that they are likely to encounter in their Starfleet Career with other species that have enhanced senses.

 

In Prodigy, Nova Squadron has been revived by the mid-2380s.

This feels like a very terrible idea for a multitude of reasons. Besides the initial incident, I would think Starfleet would hesitate against elite cadet groups even further after both the attempted Red Squad coup and the USS Valiant incident.

Also, I have two takeaways from the LD Nova Fleet incident. One, Locarno feeling the need to “revive” Nova Squadron suggests that it didn’t still exist in 2381, meaning the revival must have been relatively close to 2384. Second, I feel like the coming back of a former “elite” cadet to bite them would further make Starfleet wary of establishing an elite cadet group again.

Overall, it just seems every time the Academy does this, they just produce a group of arrogant cadets very susceptible to manipulation and/or recklessness. Even 2384 squadron seems this way - we see their elitist attitude towards the former Protostar crew matching that of Red Squad and such.

So why did they do it again?

Perhaps Nova Squadron is a long-held academy tradition, and despite the initial fallout of the 2368 incident, that’s overshadowed by its long history of outstanding cadets, a legacy the academy didn’t want to suddenly erase.

Still, I feel like they could have turned Nova Squadron into an honors society that recognizes students without the special treatment rather than resurrect what seems to be the original format.

Honestly, I hope (big emphasis on hope) the new SFA show elaborates on this and overall fleshes out the Academy as an institution, at least before, as I predict will happen, our “cadets” will be starship officers in all but name by the end of the season and will barely get a proper academy experience.

I kind of wish we had an academy show either early 24th century (lost era Monster Maroon) or a chill (post-PIC) 25th or 26th century setting that just followed a normal group of cadets without weird stuff like an early commissioning.

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