@sunstoned @Ephera That's nonsense. You could write the scripts, collect the data, publish all, but without the months of GPU training you wouldn't have the trained model, so it would all be worthless. The code used to train all the proprietary models is already open-source, it's things like PyTorch, Tensorflow etc. For a model to be open-source means you can download the weights and you are allowed to use it as you please, including modifying it and publishing again. It's not about the dataset.
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@astro_ray @marvelous_coyote It seems you have the incorrect idea about what open-source means, which is quite sad here in the open-source lemmy community. Being trained on public domain material does NOT make the model open-source. It's about the license - what the recipients of the model are allowed to do with it - open-source must allow derivative works and commercial use, on top of seeing the code, but for LLM models the "code" is just a bunch of float numbers, nothing interesting to see.
@cmnybo @marvelous_coyote That's.. not how it works. You wouldn't see any copyrighted works in the model. We are already pretty sure even the closed models were trained on copyrighted works, based on what they sometimes produce. But even then, the AI companies aren't denying it. They are just saying it was all "fair use", they are using a legal loophole, and they might win this. Basically the only way they could be punished on copyright is if the models produce some copyrighted content verbatim.
@IllNess but that one you can ignore whether it's paying or non-paying, so you are talking about a completely different case
Random non-paying user: "Hey guys, I found a bug in your app, maybe you want to have a look at this"
Maintainers: "Na-na-na-na-na not listening! We'll keep the bug there because you are not the boss!"
Yeah, that sounds like a very stupid strategy.
@thingsiplay Kiwix was amazing for me during traveling, because I could browse Wikivoyage offline in a bus or plane and plan my next move.
@tyler Well, they are doing it: https://piunikaweb.com/2021/04/24/google-emails-about-change-of-country-of-association-issue-escalated/ When I followed the steps and wanted to set my country back to Europe, they responded "After reviewing your account, we think your current country association is accurate and we didn't change anything." (keeping the wrong one, non-EU country). Note Google LLC is in USA, Google Ireland Limited is in EU https://policies.google.com/faq#associated-country
GDPR applies only to people (even non-EU citizens) who "live" on the territory of EU. EU citizens who leave, don't have the GDPR protection anymore. There was an affair last year when google started notifying people about transferring their account data to non-EU datacenters after it detected them connecting from a foreign IP when they went for a holiday to Thailand for a month. So clearly you have some misunderstandings of GDPR. Also GDPR prevents selling stuff??
@sunstoned Please don't assume anything, it's not healthy.
To answer your question - it depends on the license of that binary. You can't just automatically consider something open-source. Look at the license. Meta, Microsoft and Google routinely misrepresents their licenses, calling them "open-source" even when they aren't.
But the main point is that you can put closed source license on a model trained from open-source data. Unfortunately. You are barking under the wrong tree.