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Well, the bank is owned by the state 100%. And the money is needed to fund a conference that’s trying to give the Palestinian narrative a platform.

The Palestinian narrative is btw far more in line with international law and with the findings of international human rights groups and historians (including Israeli human rights groups and historians) and even with common sense.

Therefore Germany (even more than the rest of the Western world) is quite eager to shut it up. But just as the support of Israel is our raison d'état, we want to be seen as if democracy and human rights are our raisons d'état equally.

So, like Israel plausibly committing genocide and ethnical cleansing and collective punishment, Germany is still at the stage of using pretexts and henchmen to do the dirty work of anti-democratically sabotage pro-Palestinian participation in German society's discourse.

The bank in question (Sparkasse) btw manages the account of the right-wing extremist party Heimat (former NPD), too. I wonder if they had to provide every member's name, too. What do you think?

They took away the Jewish Voice's right of disposal of the account precisely at a time when they urgently need it. While giving quite shady reasons for doing so. So I think, at least as far as we’re not talking in legal terms here, seizing is definitely a proper word to call it. Especially when used by the victims of that treatment.

Who are Jews in Germany lest you forget. And I would like to remind you of the fact, that it’s 'the Jews' that we have a moral duty (acquired by the murder of millions) to protect from injustice, not just 'the Jews who spread rightwing extremist Israeli government propaganda'.

People who don’t give a shit about Palestinian rights and lives defend Jewish Voice's treatment by the Sparkasse. But obviously they‘d rather just ignore it. Which works pretty fine throughout German politics and media. So I consider you having to defend it (at least here on social media) a little success for the Palestinian cause.

Well, the bank is owned by the state 100%. And the money is needed to fund a conference that’s trying to give the Palestinian narrative a platform.

The Palestinian narrative is btw far more in line with international law and with the findings of international human rights groups and historians (including Israeli human rights groups and historians) and even with common sense.

Therefore Germany (even more than the rest of the Western world) is quite eager to shut it up. But just as the support of Israel is our raison d'état, we want to be seen as if democracy and human rights are our raisons d'état equally.

So, like Israel plausibly committing genocide and ethnical cleansing and collective punishment, Germany is still at the stage of using pretexts and henchmen to do the dirty work of anti-democratically sabotage pro-Palestinian participation in German society's discourse.

The bank in question (Sparkasse) btw manages the account of the right-wing extremist party Heimat (former NPD), too. I wonder if they had to provide every member's name, too. What do you think?

They took away the Jewish Voice's right of disposal of the account precisely at a time when they urgently need it. While giving quite shady reasons for doing so. So I think, at least as far as we’re not talking in legal terms here, seizing is definitely a proper word to call it. Especially when used by the victims of that treatment.

Who are Jews in Germany lest you forget. And I would like to remind you of the fact, that it’s 'the Jews' that we have a moral duty (acquired by the murder of millions) to protect from injustice, not just 'the Jews who spread rightwing extremist Israeli government propaganda'.

People who don’t give a shit about Palestinian rights and lives defend Jewish Voice's treatment by the Sparkasse. But obviously they‘d rather just ignore it. Which works pretty fine throughout German politics and media. So I consider you having to defend it (at least here on social media) a little success for the Palestinian cause.

Stell dir vor, es geht und wir kriegen's nicht hin.

Wir haben den Tag frei durch die Entscheidung unserer Landesregierung, den Tag zu einem Feiertag zu erklären.

Unsere demokratisch gewählte Landesregierung bestimmt auch darüber, was an diesem Tag erlaubt ist und was nicht.

Und jeder Mensch hat das Recht die Regelung scheiße zu finden und dagegen aufzubegehren. Insbesondere als Teil der nichtchristlichen Mehrheit im Land.

Only Ireland somewhat eases my shame at being European.

Äh, ich finde, Juden als Antisemiten zu diffamieren, weil sie das Völkerrecht in Israel/Palästina befolgt sehen wollen, ist absolut antisemitisch, was denn sonst?

Nichtjuden als Antisemiten zu diffamieren, weil sie das Völkerrecht in Palästina/Israel befolgt sehen wollen, ist nicht antisemitisch. Es ist eben eine Diffamierung, vielleicht eine islamophobe oder sonstwie rassistische Diffamierung, das hängt vom Einzelfall ab, aber auf jeden Fall eine Diffamierung, ein Rufmord.

In Deutschland leider so weit verbreitet und akzeptiert, dass den Opfern speziell dieses Rufmords damit der Zugang zum gesellschaftlichen Diskurs erfolgreich entzogen wird.

(Auch im hier vorliegenden Fall geht es ja darum, eine Veranstaltung (Palästina Konferenz) zu torpedieren, deren erklärtes Ziel es ist, dem palästinensischen —am Völkerrecht orientierten — Narrativ in dem Konflikt eine Plattform zu geben.)

Das schwächt den absolut nötigen Kampf gegen den wachsenden Antisemitismus, da es einen großen Teil der Verbündeten in diesem Kampf ausgrenzt und beleidigt.

Es fördert sogar den Hass auf Juden. Denn wenn in der Öffentlichkeit nur Juden zu Wort kommen, die unhinterfragt die israelische/zionistische Propaganda weiterverbreiten, dann haben die Opfer der israelischen Politik und ihre Verbündeten kaum eine Chance, von der Existenz jüdischer Verbündeter auch nur zu erfahren.

Umso leichter ist es für diese Menschen, die völkerrechtswidrige Unterdrückung der Palästinenser in Palästina/Israel als ein gemeinsames Projekt aller Juden (miss) zu verstehen.

Komisch, ich hab eher das Gefühl, indem man Antizionismus, Eintreten für die Rechte der Palästinenser und Verurteilung der israelischen Besatzungs- und Kriegspolitik als Antisemitismus beschreibt und behandelt, höhlt man den Begriff Antisemitismus aus. Umso mehr, wenn man mit dieser sinnlosen Gleichsetzung Juden quasi zu Antisemiten erklärt. Perfider geht ja kaum.

Ich bin weiter der Meinung, wenn Juden in Deutschland diskriminiert, schikaniert und in der freien Meinungsäußerung behindert werden, dann muss ich als geschichtsbewusster Deutscher ihnen unbedingt zugestehen, entsprechende Vorfälle mit etwas zugespitzten polemischen Worten zu beschreiben.

Wenn dann "Konto sperren" zu "Geld beschlagnahmen" wird, dann geht das absolut nicht zu weit, wenn man bedenkt, dass ihnen mit der Kontosperrung aus politischen Gründen verwehrt werden soll, mit diesem Geld eine vom Grundgesetz geschützte Aktivität auszuüben, nämlich eine Versammlung zu organisieren. (Und das, nebenbei, von der Bank, bei der auch die NPD ihr Konto hat. Ob die wohl auch eine Liste aller Mitglieder einreichen musste?)

Wehren wir den Anfängen!

Tatsächlich sind wohl fast ein Drittel der Menschen und Organisationen, die in Deutschland wegen antizionistischer und pro-palästinensischer Positionen unter staatlichen Druck geraten, jüdisch.

Ich finde das besorgniserregend und empfinde es als meine Pflicht, gegenüber deutschen Institutionen, die sich an derartigen Widerlichkeiten beteiligen, deutlich meine Missbilligung zum Ausdruck zu bringen.

Ja, naja, aber in China oder so geht das doch noch viel weiter, glaub ich, also ist es bei uns doch okay. /s

Die Klugheit zeigt sich in seinem Erkennen der traurigen Wahrheit, dass er mit empathielosen Arschlochsprüchen und rechten Ressentiments einer Mehrheit deutscher Wähler aus dem Herzen spricht.

For centuries, the Jews in the Middle East had lived in peace with their Muslim, Christian, Druze or Yazidi neighbors.

Many of them had sought refuge in that region many generations earlier at the invitation of Turkish and Arab rulers after being brutally expelled from the Iberian peninsula by Christians.

But strangely, as soon as a small minority of European Jews with typical European arrogance, ignorance and zero respect for the local culture began to present themselves as the only legitimate representatives of worldwide Jewry and to expel (almost) all Arabs (except the Jewish ones) from Palestine with brutal violence, tensions arose between the resident Jews and the non-Jewish majority society in the neighboring Arab states.

Who could have guessed something like this? BOO! Ugh! Evil, barbaric, backward, anti-Semitic Arabs!

But simultaneously it was a big relief for the Zionist government of early Israel. Even if it was only backward Arab Jews who came, second-choice Jews so to speak, they were urgently needed to get the new state up and running without Palestinians.

There simply weren't enough European Jews left to replace the attainted and expelled native Arabs. But remembering their own expulsion plus the corresponding brainwashing and birth rate, the Arab Jews actually became the spearhead of aggressive Zionism.

There are many peoples on earth who don't have their own state. Regardless of religion, however, no one would come up with the idea of ​​supporting one of these peoples in its attempt to choose a country, expel the native people and establish its own state on their land.

The idea per se is only not totally ridiculous for those being stuck in the racist European ideology of the 18th or 19th century.

Apart from that, people have always persecuted, fought and massacred each other, completely independent of religion.

Zionists began immigrating to Palestine over 100 years ago. They did NOT do ANYTHING of what we rightly expect of immigrants today. That is to say, they did not adapt to the culture of the locals or at least learn the local language any more than other European immigrants to other countries in the world have ever done. The Europeans in general still do not do it up to this day, to be honest, we only demand it of those who want to immigrate to our countries.

Since 1967, Israel, as an occupying power, has been the government in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in practice and under international law. This means that all the duties that a government has, you know, increasing the benefits and preventing harm, etc., are the duties of the State of Israel towards the people of the occupied territories.

In the 67 years since the Six-Day War, has Israel done anything to fulfill these duties? What did Israel do during this time to avert harm to the population of the occupied territories and, for example, to improve the prosperity, security, freedom, health care and educational opportunities of the people living there?

In fact, it was the changed awareness and the changed policy in those states where Jews had been particularly intensely persecuted that significantly improved the security of Jews worldwide after the Second World War. And it was (and is) the racist expansionist policy of the Zionists and the State of Israel that reduces this increase in security, both in the State of Israel and for Jews worldwide.