bobburger

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[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

You have to be a reliable constituent and help them get elected. Young people, progressives, leftists, whatever aren't reliable enough and don't vote in numbers significant enough to shift the Overton window significantly in a short time frame. Since they aren't reliable voters the candidate has to go farther to the right to get the votes they need to get elected.

Slow progress is the best you can hope for when you're hoping for extreme change to a system, and you can't stop because if you do a single Republican win can undo years of progress (e.g. Trump with the supreme court nominee and Roe).

Another issue is progressives are really spread thin on issues from civil rights, to economics, to foreign relations, to gun rights, you get the picture. This big tent brings in a lot of people, but some people get pushed out when you bring them in. For example many Latino voters are Catholic and are anti-LGBTQ and anti abortion. They have to decide if they care more about the inclusion the Democratic party brings, or the abortion restrictions the Republicans bring.

All of that to say progressives a often single issue abstainers; they will abstain from voting over a single trigger issue. The more issues a candidate has to support the less likely it is the candidate will support that voters trigger issue to the degree the voter wants. Now that voter is staying home and not voting, which leads to the point I made earlier.

Also we have made a lot of progress. Gay marriage is legal now, people are much more aware of racism and other discrimination and we're taking active steps to combat it, the ACA has helped with medical coverage a ton, the general population are aware Palestinians exist and Israel isn't the good guy, we've installed an amazing amount of green electricity power plants, bike and public transportation are things people want now, and many other incremental improvements.

Things aren't perfect, and some things are still fucked, but we're getting better. We can't stop because it isn't going exactly the way we want it to.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago

I agree with the sentiment but it's more like:

Dems: There's no way we'll get single payer universal healthcare passed because other humans exist and they have the right to vote, but we can do the ACA and try again in a few years

Leftists: Stop fucking compromising with facists you capitalist piece of shit. Just make them do what we want. I'm never voting for a Democrat in my entire life ever again

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't you hear Genociden Biden is doin a Genocide™ in Palestine?

Also Joe "Hamas" Biden is arming Hamas militants to do another October 7th!!!!

So if you're anti-genocide vote for Trump.

Or if you're anti-terrorist vote for Trump.

On a more serious note, voters don't do well with complicated and nuanced issues like middle east conflict or inflation. Unfortunately it's easy to reframe just about any issue so it reflects poorly on the president. Thanks to the internet (tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, etc) it's pretty easy to create targeted messaging telling people what they want to hear without ever exposing them to the counter narrative.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They are two different kinds of single issue voters.

Republican single issue voters get their get their candidate elected by strongly supporting them because of a single issue.

Progressives also help get the Republican candidate elected by refusing to vote for Biden because they strongly oppose one issue.

The neat part is the progressive is helping the Republican get elected who is usually even farther off the issue than the Democratic candidate.

But hey, the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE GENOCIDE™. If you don't vote for Biden The Genocide™ will stop instantly and you'll be guilt free because you didn't vote for it. But at the same time you won't have to feel guilt for any of the bad shit that comes with a Trump presidency for reasons.

If somebody hates racism, but gets tricked into voting for Trump by Black Voices for Trump, would you say they're voting in support of racism or not?

I can't say what they are voting in support of regardless of how they vote. That was painfully clear. I'll say it explicitly: voting for a candidate doesn't mean you support any of the candidates positions. It just means more of their positions align with yours than the other candidate.

Do you think neo-nazis that want the death penalty for race mixing support Trump's brand of racism? Or do you think they're voting for Trump because they know he's closer to what they want than Biden and they know their 3rd party candidate has no shot of ever getting elected?

The UN will save them!

Tell that to the Rohingya.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's the physical size of the reservoir that is the limiting factor. You can't reasonable expand most reservoirs, but it's relatively easy to create new hydrogen/methane storage tanks.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

i know you wanted to do the ol' switcheroo but it doesn't really work when you responded to everything in my comment

Mea culpa.

Biden is not supporting The Genocide™ that people started paying attention to once it became a trendy thing to talk about on Tiktok, The Genocide™ that you seem to be concerned with. The Genocide™ that benefits Netanyahu and Putin.

By virtue of being an American citizen Biden is culpable for the slow burn genocide that Palestinians have been subject to since 1948ish. The same genocide that you are also culpable of and are equally in support of.

Most of Biden's actions are political theater to not alienate Jewish voters and the powerful AIPAC. A group that he desperately needs to win reelection because progressives don't reliably vote.

The ICC has never stopped a genocide in its entire existence, so to say that sanctioning the ICC is aggressively supporting The Genocide™ is just not true. The ICC could send out charges and arrest warrants for every politician in Israel without America ever lifting a finger and it would have absolutely no impact on The Genocide™, positive or negative.

UN action is equally useless, so whatever action you think would have stopped The Genocide™ that Biden blocked it wouldn't have done shit.

Israel and Netanyahu have made it clear that they will continue the invasion into Gaza with or without US military support, so any arms we may have given Israel have no impact on their willingness to wage war.

What other specious evidence of aggressive support do you have?

As a last point, voting for a candidate doesn't mean you support all of that candidates actions or views. That's why Republicans do so well; Republican voters have one or two issues they agree with passionately (immigration, gun control, abortion restrictions, etc.) and vote enthusiastically for the candidate that supports their thing regardless of the candidates other positions.

On the other hand progressives/leftists/whatever pick a hill to die on, and if a candidate disagrees with them a little bit on that issue they will refuse to vote for the candidate regardless of how many other positions they agree on.

The genocide debate is a perfect example; people like you have convinced yourself that Biden supports genocide so you refuse to vote for him because you disagree about that one point. No matter what other points you may agree on, or how much more Trump supports genocide and other positions you disagree with, people like you refuse to vote for Biden and in the end Trump gets elected. Real take my ball and go home energy.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think that's a simplistic take held by many that ignores the political climate in Israel. Netanyahu explicitly stated they'd continue the invasion of Gaza even if all western powers withdrew their support. Netanyahu is backed into a corner by corruption charges and the only way he stays in power and out of jail is with the backing of right wing extremists in Israel. The right wing extremists have a singular goal of creating a single Israeli state in region.

So even if the west were to withdraw support it wouldn't like change much, maybe instead of conducting the operations with bombs and tanks they'd be using guns and machetes to carry out their genocide like what happened in Rwanda.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

China absolutely funds and gives diplomatic protection to Myanmar.

Regardless I'm not sure why that's relevant. If the US stopped supporting Israel everyone would suddenly start ignoring the Palestinian genocide like we're supposed to ignore the Chinese and Russian backed genocides?

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's telling that there's wide spread condemnation of the west for their response to the invasion of Gaza yet no one ever condemns the west for its response to the Uyghur genocide in China, the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar, or the Darfur genocide in Sudan.

It's almost like they don't actually care about the genocide of Palestinians, or genocide at all, they just want to weaken western countries by creating division and internal conflict.

Maybe they genuinely do care though, and now we'll start to seeing all these anonymous online voices calling for a strong multinational response to the genocide of Palestinians as well as the genocides being conducted by Chinese and Russian backed states.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Llamafile is a great way to get use an LLM locally. Inference is incredibly fast on my ARM macbook and rtx 4060ti, its okay on my Intel laptop running Ubuntu.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol okay.

Every time people bring up Jill Stein and Cornell west as serious candidates it makes me ask how they expect either to get 270 electoral college votes. So I'll ask you, the serious progressive advocating for Jill Stein and Cornell West, how does either one of them get 270 electoral college votes? Hopefully you can do better than the last guy who's response was "just tell people their ideas and then get votes".

I also think its telling you couldn't even pick one candidate. You're convinced 3rd party candidates are our saviors but instead of picking ONE candidate to support, you take the shotgun approach and throw out a bunch of names and hope one of them sticks. There isn't even a single 3rd party candidate you support, but you're desperately telling me to pick one, any one, as long as it isn't Genociden Biden, because they oppose The Genocide™. Vote for anyone else and I'll be showing I don't support The Gencoide™ either.

Even if I were convinced that either of them could get elected, I am not convinced that either have the political capital to govern in an effective manner, much less change the course of America's support for Israel. So what you're really advocating for is for me to help Donald Trump get elected on the infinitesimal chance that a miracle candidate could get elected and then have no practical impact on Israels actions.

All that aside, little has changed since October 7th other than Putin's boy Benjamin Netanyahu seizing the opportunity to start a war that will keep him in power as long as it's going on.

What's even more important to Palestinians than the 40,000 or so dead Gazans is the day after the war. Will it result in full occupation and control of Palestinian territory by Isreal, which would be the final stages of the slow burn genocide. A plan which Trump endorses.

Or will it be a general withdrawal and return of Gaza to Palestinian control, which has the possibility of a two state solution. A plan that Biden says he supports.

Either way, Israel is a sovereign country with it's own hopes and ambitions. Any American president has only limited ability to impact their decisions. This election is a choice between using our little influence to push towards a two state solution or push towards full Israeli control of Palestinian territory.

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