bobburger

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[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago

Bazinga, pwnd another lib!

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like you didn't read the definition of gas lighting either. Once again you're making broad claims on a gross misunderstanding of the facts.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure what the exact proposal is but it seems like Israel is saying the ceasefire allows them to achieve their objective while ceasing hostilities.

I'm skeptical Netanyahu won't break the ceasefire as soon as it's politically advantageous, but we'll see.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the BBC "live" coverage of the proposal

Netanyahu releases statement

A statement has just been released from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office.

It says he has authorised the Israeli negotiating team to "present an outline" for achieving the release of all hostages.

However, the statements goes on to say the war in Gaza will not end until all goals - including the "elimination" of Hamas's armed wing and organisational capacities - are achieved.

It continues: "The exact outline proposed by Israel, including the conditional transition from stage to stage, allows Israel to maintain these principles."

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You not only seem to be misunderstanding gas lighting still but also the messaging around the economy and the response to the Gaza invasion.

Fun fact: the economy can be doing great and poor people can still exist. Let that doozy sink in.

Another neat one: the Biden administration can want peace in Israel but not be willing to destroy the relationship we have with that country, alienate a huge portion of Biden voter, or destroy the political capital he has in order to get peace.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is pretty interesting. This topic was discussed ad nauseum when it happened, there's even a cross post that's over a month old with 280 upvotes and 50 comments.

But on my feed post is showing as less than an hour old, and appears in at least 3 other communities for me.

Also the headline of the actual article is:

House passes bill to expand definition of antisemitism amid growing campus protests over Gaza war

Nowhere in the article does it mention making "Gaza genocide protests illegal". I think misrepresenting the contents of the article and changing the headline could very well explain why the posts was removed from another community.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not if you want the fighting to continue so that you can keep using it as a talking point to get Trump elected.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm not sure how this is gas lighting.

Here's the Wikipedia article so we can make sure we're using the same vocabulary.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't think this is a fascist power grab. Benny Gantz is a centrist and a one of the main opposition leaders to Netanyahu.

This part is pretty well documented and agreed upon by political experts:

He's been loudly advocating for a "day after plan" for the War in Gaza, i.e. what is the actual plan for Israels invasion and what are we going to do when it's done? The day after plan is something Netanyahu has refused to provide. Many speculate that he hasn't provided it because his plan is full occupation of Gaza and making it fully part of the Israeli state.

This part is conjecture and maybe wishful thinking on my part:

Netanyahu refuses to end the war so that he can stay in power. I think that Gantz recognizes the great international harm that the invasion of Gaza has done to Israel, which will only get worse until the invasion is over and Israel withdraws from Gaza. Gantz sees this as an opportunity make himself prime minister, end the invasion, and start some sort of peace process. This would allow him to start rebuilding Israels reputation and finding ways to establish a more stable peace.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man that sounds fun, I wish I was slappin baby seal right now.

[โ€“] bobburger@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That wording is all you should need to hear to disregard the poll...

That's a pretty extraordinary assumption to make.

Regardless of how you feel about that option there is little support among voters for withholding support for Israel until a ceasefire is reached. Less than 25% among all respondents, and less than 33% among Democrats and Independents who I'd consider potential Biden voters.

If you have a different poll I'd love to see it.

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