blackhole

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[–] blackhole@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The vast majority of debate from Republicans who want to ban transgender people from anything, yes. I agree.

But there are plenty of liberal minded, LGBTQ supporting individuals who recognize that at the highest level of sports, being more a male and going through puberty as a male, is likely to give you advantages over female competitors. And at the highest level of sports, it seems fair to control for that.

If we are talking about children playing sports with no real consequence. Everyone should play. I'd say only at the collegiate, olympic and professional levels should we be concerned about fairness.

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It's not transphobic. You're overusing that word, and you're hurting OUR cause.

It is not transphobic to recognize an actual difference. It is not transphobic to want to find solutions that work well for everybody. And it is not transphobic to recognize that people born a male, who go through puberty a male, develop a body different than that of a female. And those differences absolutely can make a difference in sports. This is 100% a fact. Hormone suppression aside, men are taller, on average. Men weigh more, on average. Men are stronger, on average. These are facts, indisputable. Stating as much is not transphobic.

The reason you've probably only had 1 transgender person when an olympic medal is because there aren't a lot of transgender people, and winning an olympic medal is fucking hard.

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I had a comment response to you that was deleted by the mods. I can't remember what I said, but I know it wasn't offensive in any way. How do I know this? I'm all for LGBTQ rights, including trans people. I think it's absolutely awful what Florida and other states are doing to these people. I think it's awful that children who are transgender are being ostracized from children's sports leagues (which should be fun, not competitive). I'm a huge supporter of trans rights.

BUT - I disagreed with your comment. Because I believe there is a difference at competitive levels of sports. And that hormone suppressors and their effectiveness is not the only consideration here.

But apparently nobody is allowed to have an opinion on this topic that isn't 100% on board with the global messaging of the trans community right now?

This is how you lose supporters, not gain them. I'm an ally. But allies can have disagreements, and should be able to voice them respectively.

In short, it's fucking absurd that my comment was deleted solely because I don't 100% agree with someone on something.

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Uh... it is. We have considerations taken into account for age, weight, and skill level, at various levels of sports. Yes, obviously there are biological advantages in sports, and that is a big part of the sport. That's precisely why we separate men and women, BECAUSE of those advantages.

So for you to say there is no consideration given to those advantages until trans woman are involved is just flatly wrong. That's the basis of this entire conversation, the fact that we do take that into account already.

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Right. I think that's a very important distinction.

To take it a step further, I think it's probably quite intuitive and obvious that if you're born a male, go through puberty as a male, you will have a different body composition than a female. Even with hormone suppressors. They are claiming there is no evidence that this is an advantage.

Well it is, absolutely, depending on the sport. I don't know that it could be proven that bone density, for instance, helps people perform better. But I know that some sports there is an advantage to being taller. And hormone suppressors aren't going to reduce that advantage. So that alone is definitive proof that being born a male and going through puberty as a male is advantageous in certain sports (as male's are taller on average, than females). I don't know how you could argue that isn't true.

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's what the fediverse is. That's how this whole thing works. And why some of us are on kbin, some mastodon, some lemmy, some beehive. The posts you're seeing now aren't all from people on Kbin anymore. Fucking interesting, right?

edit I should add, I thought this post WAS ON Kbinsocial. Cause that's what I'm on. I didn't even realize this was posted to a lemmy instance.

How's that for interesting?

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I think the death of 3rd party apps in a few weeks could be another moment when we see a big change in consumption habits. I don't know that it'll push people here, necessarily, but I would imagine it'll hurt reddit traffic.

The other wildcard is what do mods do? If some big subreddits never come back, or a lot of moderators leave, what will that do to the quality of reddit?

I agree, this could be a slow burn, and these communities definitely have been kickstarted, which is nice. I just think the slow burn might be over the course of months, not years.

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