assbutt

Idk, was it necessary to make your name a reference to reddit? My fuckin' name is assbutt, dude, the bar isn't very high here. It's pretty weird to call yourself 'snoo' while you go around decrying the evils of reddit.

By which decree?

Come on, are you fuckin' serious right now? If you create 'SnooFuckersAnonymous' then abandon it next week, what the hell are the admins supposed to do with it? According to you, they have to leave it there, empty and unused, forever, instead of letting someone make something out of it. That is asinine beyond words.

For someone who loves reddit enough to adopt the name of their mascot, you sure don't seem to understand how it worked. You're acting as if subreddit requests were exclusively hostile takeovers. Part of requesting a sub was proving that you had made every attempt to contact the existing mods.

Transferring ownership to new mods is basic maintenance in a place like this. Nobody is suggesting we steal communities from their owners and hand them out to trolls.

So you blindly trust your browser rather than doing any investigation of your own? Maybe glance at the person’s profile next time, see if they behave like a bot before calling them out lol

I mean you got snoo in your name, bud, you kinda brought it with you.

There has to exist a process by which new mods can take ownership of abandoned communities. That’s not Reddit toxicity, it’s day to day business.

Multiple accounts is not the same thing as abandoning your profile and instance to start over somewhere else. I have more than one profile right here on kbin, for example.

Regardless, you’ve ignored the entire rest of my comment, and kinda the whole point; people don’t know. How could they know? Where are they going to learn if not here, and once they are here, why leave?

This person is claiming you are a bot, and I am asking for evidence to support the accusation. There is nothing deeper here, but thanks for the diagnosis I guess.

Don't mistake colorful language for ire. Just because I said "shit" doesn't mean I'm upset. Imagine The Dude is reading my comment to you with a joint in the corner of his mouth; that's closer to the tone I had in my head (and it's not far off from the truth lol). It's all good, homie 🤙

Many ActivityPub services allow you to seamlessly transfer your profile from one instance to another. It even sends messages that let your followers update so they follow you at your new address. Moving profiles isn’t a big deal. It’s Ok if they join a big instance at first, and move later.

But do people know that? Not a rhetorical question, I only have direct experience with kbin and only a week's worth at that. I had only the very foggiest idea what all of this was when I came to kbin and signed up. I've learned a lot more since then, but I'm still brand new to this.

If I have no complaints with kbin, why would I be motivated to look for a new instance? Should I be looking anyway? What compelling reasons exist to shop around, as it were?

There are compelling reasons why new folks join big instances and it’s not definitely a bad thing

Seems like the natural progression of this sort of thing, no? Has enough time even passed to tell if this is a problem or not? This is a bit of an aside, but I feel like there's been a lot of doomposting the last few days about imagined future problems. Have we really had enough time to make any actionable observations?

IDK why is everyone making accounts on the 3-4 biggest instances.

How do you expect a newcomer who has no understanding of content federation to find these low-pop instances? Of course everyone's joining the main handful, they don't know anything else exists.

I'd imagine most people coming from typical social media don't even realize that instances are a thing when they sign up on one. They've heard about lemmy or kbin or whatever, so they go to lemmy or kbin or whatever and sign up. Once they learn how it works, they've already established a profile on that instance; they're not going to start over on a new one.

How does that not defeat the entire purpose? You're suggesting one global 'sublemmy', as it were, with one global team of moderators. How is that in any way different or better than what we just left behind?

I'm referring more to the suggestions of subreddit vandalism, brigading, mass vote manipulation, turning off automod. That's pointless, anything moderator hooliganism can be undone immediately.

Personal history is different. I nuked all my shit on the 12th. Edited and wiped with Redact before deleting each account, all I can do as far as I'm aware. I took measures to obfuscate my activity on reddit anyway, multiple accounts, never keep one longer than a year, if I'm giving a personal anecdote, the unimportant details will be wildly different and wrong every time I tell it, that sort of thing.

I make an effort to protect my anonymity on the internet in general. My personal post history on various websites definitely falls under my data which I will control as much as I possibly can.

Nothing you said refutes anything I said. My point was that reddit has value even if all the humans leave. Digg was sold, implying value, yes?

There will never be some end of the road, flipping the giant breaker on reddit's servers movie scene death. It will live on in some form no matter the outcome of the current drama.

Of course digg.com is a wildly different place today, the entire world is a different place today...

I think we agree more than you realize.

If I take up the task of fostering engagement in a bunch of mags that interest me, does that then justify my complaints in your eyes?

That is what I'm saying, yes. If you were doing the work while the owners and/or mods did nothing, you would absolutely be justified in your grievance. You would be more deserving of a lead position for that mag than they are, and I would stand behind you if you wanted to take it over.

'Shut up' is not an argument.

Debatable, but my argument was 'Shut up if you're not willing to contribute.' I really don't think that's a wild take. If I'm not willing to put forth the absolute minimum effort of posting an image or a question or something, I have no business bitching about a lack of content and engagement.

people who took the time to create the mags should take a few more minutes to slap an icon, a description and a welcome thread. Basically not appear dead. If you think that's a stretch, then we can just agree to disagree.

I don't disagree. I actually agree with just about all of your gripes, people who create a community should take ownership of it or hand it over to someone who will. What I have a problem with is doomposting about a situation that the poster has done nothing to remedy. We're all equally capable of contributing. I have even less excuse than you do, I have a couple mags that I need to work on. They have icons, at least a basic description, and general rules, but that's it. I'll find some time this weekend to flesh them out, been a busy week for me.

Look, despite my name I'm really not trying to be an ass. I admit I may be a bit charged about this. This week is very likely the first week I've completely abstained from reddit in the last 12ish years. It's not that I miss it, it's actually the opposite; I really really don't, and I really don't want to see those parts of reddit manifesting here. This is a brand new place, and it's not reddit. I feel that we should go into this with few expectations, just see what it becomes. Content federation is a whole new thing (I mean it's not, but for the purpose of this conversation...you get my point), so let's not expect anything from it or try to force it in a direction just yet.

No hard feelings dude, and sincerely this time, peace homie 🤙