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[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

You can still boycott Microsoft and Google, you can use a Linux based OS and FOSS browser and email client software.

No, that does not work. I can run all the FOSS I want, and I can register for email service wherever I like. But I cannot reach a Microsoft-hosted recipient without feeding Microsoft.

Exceptionally, if I have an analog option like snail-mail, then I can use that to reach the recipient without feeding Microsoft.

 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24727683

The fediverse w/the activitypub API sell itself as being decentralised, but it’s actually just neutral. It merely enables decentralised forums to coexist with centralised venues. The Lemmy implementation in particular does nothing to proactively promote decentralisation or counter concentrations of power.

When the software is not designed to steer toward decentralisation, centralisation persists because the network effect is left uncountered. The current stats prove that a mass majority of users and their activity are subject to the concentrated power of a few, which ultimately singularly falls under the power, oversight, and competency of the biggest walled garden in the world: Cloudflare Inc, in the US.

Calling Lemmy “neutral” is overly generous, in fact. When the stock Lemmy web client is queried for communities, it prioritises the giant centralised communities in top rankings of the search results. It’s no better than Google, where Cloudflare also dominates the top slots in web search results. This exacerbates the network effect by cattle-herding people toward increased centralisation.

Lemmy ranks decentralised communities at the bottom. And in some cases the ranking is so low that it’s out of reach when cross-posting. The cross-post mechanism forces a search for the target community, and that search does not support entry of the address of the community that includes the domain. When the list is so long it exceeds the pulldown window length, it’s out of reach.

Yes, we know centralisation is not their deliberate goal. Lemmy developers fear that newcoming novices would unwittingly post in a ghost town without strategically cross-posting and then become immediately discouraged by minimal engagement, and from there bounce back to Twitter or wherever they came from. But it must be realised that the mass nannied steering they have resorted to has cultivated centralisation that defeats the founding purpose of the fedi.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You are mixing things up. Using google or M$ for government email services is not against going analog, the problem is that we are paying ubercompanies to handle our data, even important ones. If government instead relied on open source, self hosted services, there wouldn’t be much of a problem for using emails only.

You seem confused. If I need to send correspondence to gov agency X, and gov agency X chooses an email supplier who I boycott, how do you think I execute my boycott? I send snail-mail. Of course. The analog mechanism is an essential refuge that enables a boycott to be possible.

If government instead relied on open source, self hosted services, there wouldn’t be much of a problem for using emails only.

That attempts to circumvents the problem without solving it. Of course, it would be nice if everyone would use services that I do not boycott. But how do you scale that? How can you possibly ensure that all services are not boycotted by all people? To really have boycott rights, you need to be in control of your boycotts. You cannot have someone else selecting who you boycott; it defeats the purpose. It’s also an impossible ask. If every tiny gov office maintains an email server, their costs become unsurmountable.

You seem to think there is a singular government. Every federal government has hundreds if not thousands of small regional governments. And the federal gov is divided into tens if not hundreds of competency-specific governments. That’s a lot of email servers.

Are you proposing that the federal gov maintain email for all government agencies in a country? If yes, then what if they make a bad decision, like blocking dynamic IP addresses from sending msgs? Then I am back to boycotting the service, which would be very crippling if that same service is used across all agencies.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In Europe the situation is still fixable; in the US, apparently, the idea of “rights” never was in the mind in the first place.

You have no more of an explicit right to be analog in Europe than you do in the US.

But Europe is far worse in giving powers or abilities to use analog mechanisms.

Consider cash:

  • Paying debts in “legal tender” (cash) is nearly absolute in the US. The only notable compromise AFAIK is in situations where a creditor has no physical presence that gives a practical way to securely pay cash. But I cannot think of any circumstances where that is a barrier. You can always buy a cashiers check or money order to send money from a distance without having a bank account.
  • Forced-banking is already in force in Europe. Tax is one transaction you cannot avoid, and there are already many tax regimes in Europe that refuse cash payment. Forced-banking is a gateway to many additional secondary forms of digital oppression. Some banks refuse you for not having a mobile phone. And then having a mobile phone obligates you to register an ID to the GSM chip. Some banks force you to use an app, which can only be obtained from Google playstore. (The US likely has such banks as well, but the US also has 6,000 banks to choose from, so the pressure to use them is negligable)
  • Cash transactions above €10k are banned EU-wide, and parts of western Europe have lowered that to €1-3k. Some EU countries have banned cash in real estate transactions, despite housing being a human right.

I see nothing stopping someone from living unbanked in the US. Even getting a paycheck is possible, because you can receive a paper paycheck and cash it without having a bank acct. Try that in Europe. I dare you.

Apart from cash:

  • snail mail is discontinued in Denmark. You will not be able to claw back a meaningful or effective right to be analog after that.
  • snail mail service is being downgraded in other parts of Europe. E.g. Belgium has reduced delivery of non-priority mail to like 3 times/week now.
  • public administrations /force/ the use of digital platforms in many situations.
 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24727683

The fediverse w/the activitypub API sell itself as being decentralised, but it’s actually just neutral. It merely enables decentralised forums to coexist with centralised venues. The Lemmy implementation in particular does nothing to proactively promote decentralisation or counter concentrations of power.

When the software is not designed to steer toward decentralisation, centralisation persists because the network effect is left uncountered. The current stats prove that a mass majority of users and their activity are subject to the concentrated power of a few, which ultimately singularly falls under the power, oversight, and competency of the biggest walled garden in the world: Cloudflare Inc, in the US.

Calling Lemmy “neutral” is overly generous, in fact. When the stock Lemmy web client is queried for communities, it prioritises the giant centralised communities in top rankings of the search results. It’s no better than Google, where Cloudflare also dominates the top slots in web search results. This exacerbates the network effect by cattle-herding people toward increased centralisation.

Lemmy ranks decentralised communities at the bottom. And in some cases the ranking is so low that it’s out of reach when cross-posting. The cross-post mechanism forces a search for the target community, and that search does not support entry of the address of the community that includes the domain. When the list is so long it exceeds the pulldown window length, it’s out of reach.

Yes, we know centralisation is not their deliberate goal. Lemmy developers fear that newcoming novices would unwittingly post in a ghost town without strategically cross-posting and then become immediately discouraged by minimal engagement, and from there bounce back to Twitter or wherever they came from. But it must be realised that the mass nannied steering they have resorted to has cultivated centralisation that defeats the founding purpose of the fedi.

 

The fediverse w/the activitypub API sell itself as being decentralised, but it’s actually just neutral. It merely enables decentralised forums to coexist with centralised venues. The Lemmy implementation in particular does nothing to proactively promote decentralisation or counter concentrations of power.

When the software is not designed to steer toward decentralisation, centralisation persists because the network effect is left uncountered. The current stats prove that a mass majority of users and their activity are subject to the concentrated power of a few, which ultimately singularly falls under the power, oversight, and competency of the biggest walled garden in the world: Cloudflare Inc, in the US.

Calling Lemmy “neutral” is overly generous, in fact. When the stock Lemmy web client is queried for communities, it prioritises the giant centralised communities in top rankings of the search results. It’s no better than Google, where Cloudflare also dominates the top slots in web search results. This exacerbates the network effect by cattle-herding people toward increased centralisation.

Lemmy ranks decentralised communities at the bottom. And in some cases the ranking is so low that it’s out of reach when cross-posting. The cross-post mechanism forces a search for the target community, and that search does not support entry of the address of the community that includes the domain. When the list is so long it exceeds the pulldown window length, it’s out of reach.

Yes, we know centralisation is not their deliberate goal. Lemmy developers fear that newcoming novices would unwittingly post in a ghost town without strategically cross-posting and then become immediately discouraged by minimal engagement, and from there bounce back to Twitter or wherever they came from. But it must be realised that the mass nannied steering they have resorted to has cultivated centralisation that defeats the founding purpose of the fedi.

 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24727109

The right to be analog is a critical enabler to the power to boycott.

Suppose you boycott Microsoft and Google. If you need to reach a gov office who uses MS or Google for email, then you are writing a snail mail letter. Denmark has eliminated the national postal service. The loss of an important analog option forces Danes to use the digital mechanism. No one in Denmark can say: “hold on, I am boycotting Microsoft, so I cannot be obligated to correspond with your office”.

No country gives its people either rights. That is, there is no country that gives you a right to boycott or the right be analog. In principle, we could loosely claim to derive those rights through the human rights to autonomy, dignity, and self-determination. But that won’t hold up in court, as human rights are generally disregarded in court. Abstract human rights like that are really a long-shot as well. Even if a court were to concede to human rights, you’ve already lost if you have to go to court because in Europe you cannot generally recover all damages even if the judge takes your side.

I believe a window of opportunity is passing us by. If we do not establish a right to be analog hard and fast, it will be too late once mechanisms supporting our analog refuge are gone.

Europe is quietly removing the cash option. Europeans are boiling frogs. They don’t see that they have already lost the option to be free from banks. Forced banking is already in force. This enables banks to gradually force you onto their enshitified digital platforms.

What I find most disturbing is how a vast majority are blind to this.

 

The right to be analog is a critical intrinsic enabler to the power to boycott.

Suppose you boycott Microsoft and Google. If you need to reach a gov office who uses MS or Google for email, then you are writing a snail mail letter. Denmark has eliminated the national postal service. The loss of an important analog option forces Danes to use the digital mechanism. No one in Denmark can say: “hold on, I am boycotting Microsoft, so I cannot be obligated to correspond with your office”.

No country gives its people either rights. That is, there is no country that gives you a right to boycott or the right be analog. In principle, we could loosely claim to derive those rights through the human rights to autonomy, dignity, and self-determination. But that won’t hold up in court, as human rights are generally disregarded in court. Abstract human rights like that are really a long-shot as well. Even if a court were to concede to human rights, you’ve already lost if you have to go to court because in Europe you cannot generally recover all damages even if the judge takes your side.

I believe a window of opportunity is passing us by. If we do not establish a right to be analog hard and fast, it will be too late once mechanisms supporting our analog refuge are gone.

Europe is quietly removing the cash option. Europeans are boiling frogs. They don’t see that they have already lost the option to be free from banks. Forced banking is already in force. This enables banks to gradually force you onto their enshitified digital platforms.

What I find most disturbing is how a vast majority are blind to this.

 

The attachment is a page from the annual report by a national ombudsman produced for politicians who use the stats in policy making. The ombudsman accepts complaints online and also by analog means. The annual report considers the method of complaint submission a “key figure”.

This report shows 77% of submissions to be electronic. It indicates the digital platform is a “success”, to some extent. I’m not sure what their goal or expectation is, but there is certainly no shame or defeat in that figure. They are likely patting themselves on the back.

When a platform is enshitified, we need that metric to reflect failure. Suppose hypothetically their goal is 90% digital. They will investigate why 23% of complainants are submitting paper, calling, or appearing in person. Suppose such investigation were to find:

  • 14% lack digital literacy
  • 6% have no easy access to the Internet
  • 3% other (e.g. refusal of enshitified platforms)

(^fabricated sample figures) They will ignore the 3% because it’s too small to help reach their goal. They will work on improving public access to the Internet (via libraries). They will recruit digitally competent people to help the elderly (and in fact they just started this.. called the “digital buddy program”).

In any case, if you dance for them and navigate their hurdles to submit an electronic form, whether you like it or not your submission sends a clear signal that the digital platform is a success. You therefore serve as an enabler.

Complaining despite being an enabler is generally insufficient. See part 2 of 3.

 

There is immense pressure on public administrations now to respect the environment. They have obligations to satisify green policy objectives which includes pushing the “digital transformation” down our throats. They care more about that than public satisfaction. They also know that environmental policy influences election votes much more than digital rights policy.

If you simply complain about enshitification despite using the platform and thereby creating a metric to the contrary, the complaint is just seen as “someone is unhappy”. They may or may not count unhappy campers. But even if they do, it’s a lower priority metric.

We often must choose between fighting enshitification or protecting the environment. We cannot have it both ways in many situations. If you do everything digitally, there is no question you are whole-hog supporting enshitified platforms.

Casting an anti-enshitification vote requires using analog methods like snail-mail. The “right to be analog” movement (!right_to_unplug@sopuli.xyz) goes hand-in-hand with anti-enshitification¹. We need to protect the postal service. The threat is real, considering Denmark has eliminated their postal service nation-wide this year. The postal service is our refuge from enshitification. Without postal service, you are absolutely forced to eat their digital shit.

IMO climate activists have a tendency to exaggerate anyway. The GHG footprint of a paper letter and envelope is overblown, while at the same time the GHG footprints of digital transactions are downplayed. No one talks about how a graphical image on the stationary of an email payload exceeds the CO₂ footprint of a paper envelope.

See How to cast your anti-enshitification vote.

¹ In fact, note to mods: consider adding !right_to_unplug@sopuli.xyz as a related community in the sidebar.

 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24684125

My fight against enshitification entails hand-delivering paper correspondence by bicycle. I also re-use the windowed envelopes that I receive. When I run out those, I leave the envelope unsealed so the recipient can easily reuse the new envelope.

The recipient generally must use the postal service to reply. And rightly so. Penalizing them with the cost of printing and posting serves as a means to punish them for the enshitified digital path they offer. For me, this approach sufficiently casts my anti-enshitification votes while supporting the postal service that gives refuge from enshitification, without excessive environmental detriment.

The LaTeX scrlttr2 class is useful for using and re-using windowed envelopes. If the envelope is standard, the geometry may be known to the supplied KOMAscript machinery. If not, a few measurements can be given as parameters to align an address in a custom window.

To load the US №9 standard envelope, you would start with:

\documentclass[UScommercial9]{scrlttr2}

or for the French standard:

\documentclass[NF]{scrlttr2}

If you reuse a non-standard windowed envelope, you can put the following in the preamble and tamper with the measurements as needed:

\makeatletter
\setplength{foldmarkhpos}{4.2mm}   % default=3.5mm; distance from paper edge to fold mark; should account for the unprintable area of your printer
\setplength{tfoldmarkvpos}{108mm}  % default=99mm; distance between top fold mark and top paper edge
\setplength{firstheadwidth}{190mm} % default=170mm for NF and \paperwidth for others; width of letterhead
\setplength{firstheadvpos}{10mm}   % default=15mm for NF; distance from top edge to letterhead
\setplength{toaddrvpos}{40mm}      % default=35mm; distance between top of window and top paper edge
\setplength{toaddrhpos}{98mm}      % default=-10mm; distance from the left edge of the paper to the address field (if positive)
\setplength{toaddrindent}{5mm}     % default=10mm; left and right indentation of the address within the to-address box
\setplength{toaddrheight}{40mm}    % default=45mm
\makeatother
 

My fight against enshitification entails hand-delivering paper correspondence by bicycle. I also re-use the windowed envelopes that I receive. When I run out those, I leave the envelope unsealed so the recipient can easily reuse the new envelope.

The recipient generally must use the postal service to reply. And rightly so. Penalizing them with the cost of printing and posting serves as a means to punish them for the enshitified digital path they offer. For me, this approach sufficiently casts my anti-enshitification votes while supporting the postal service that gives refuge from enshitification, without excessive environmental detriment.

The LaTeX scrlttr2 class is useful for using and re-using windowed envelopes. If the envelope is standard, the geometry may be known to the supplied KOMAscript machinery. If not, a few measurements can be given as parameters to align an address in a custom window.

To load the US №9 standard envelope, you would start with:

\documentclass[UScommercial9]{scrlttr2}

or for the French standard:

\documentclass[NF]{scrlttr2}

If you reuse a non-standard windowed envelope, you can put the following in the preamble and tamper with the measurements as needed:

\makeatletter
\setplength{foldmarkhpos}{4.2mm}   % default=3.5mm; distance from paper edge to fold mark; should account for the unprintable area of your printer
\setplength{tfoldmarkvpos}{108mm}  % default=99mm; distance between top fold mark and top paper edge
\setplength{firstheadwidth}{190mm} % default=170mm for NF and \paperwidth for others; width of letterhead
\setplength{firstheadvpos}{10mm}   % default=15mm for NF; distance from top edge to letterhead
\setplength{toaddrvpos}{40mm}      % default=35mm; distance between top of window and top paper edge
\setplength{toaddrhpos}{98mm}      % default=-10mm; distance from the left edge of the paper to the address field (if positive)
\setplength{toaddrindent}{5mm}     % default=10mm; left and right indentation of the address within the to-address box
\setplength{toaddrheight}{40mm}    % default=45mm
\makeatother
[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Of course when you fail to pull the lever, the lever is guaranteed to fail.

It fails not for the reason you claim, but in situations where consumers fail to do their job. These perverse incentives you speak of come from the consumer, should the consumer fail to boycott. Do your job, pull the lever, and stop playing the fool.

It’s of course a shitty take to say don’t vote, without even having an alternative action non-voters can do that is more effective yet mutually exclusive to voting with their feet.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I appreciate the advice. I’m not quite grasping what !communities@ponder.cat does. It says it /reads/ from the lemmyverse DB. I wonder if it can solve the problem I write about here.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Each of these options depends entirely on what you need as an individual.

“Need” is a very slippery word here. Countless conveniences are described as a “need” by addicts of convenience. You might say you /need/ to fill the CAPTCHA required by the unemployment office, when in fact you think you “need” to not spend the time it takes to do a paper application. Tim Wu’s Tyranny of Convenience essay gives a good perspective on this. We don’t need the conveniences that we think we need.

That’s not to say real needs don’t manifest, but people’s ability to make the distinction is dodgy for sure. Luckily one person solving a CAPTCHA unavoidably for a true need is not going to be a significant enabler in the grand scheme of things if people generally refuse such garbage.

Can everyone? No.

Boycotts, for example, do not require everyone to participate. There is a critical mass by which if the threshold of rebels mounts, it will cause change that even benefits the pushovers. In a lot of situations, we would only need 10% or so of users to have a constitution and to honor it.

Prescribing a one-size-fits-all solution that doesn’t actually fit

Boycotts need not suit everyone. We just need a notable number of consumers with willpower and discipline to turn things around.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

the problem is that regulation part is broken. … Enshittification is our fault, but not for the reason you suggest.

(emphasis mine)

The problem is not singular. It starts with consumers failing to do their job. It’s a false dichotomy to suggest that enablers are not at fault because there are other faults in the system. The enablers are at fault, of course for serving as enablers (as I suggest). Voters (be they enablers as consumers or not) are also at fault. I stress also, because you can be at fault for serving as an enabler who (e.g.) solves CAPTCHAs, while simultaneously voting poorly. But it must be said, voting in general exections is an extremely blunt instrument. It is very close to blaming an inanimate object.

Even if voting were perfectly effective, it’s bizarre to think that electing opponents of Thatcher, Reagan, and Trump would in the slightest make a difference. In fact democrats in the US (Obama in particular) get most of their corporate support from the tech industry, likely because they would be a threat in the absence of that bribery.

Enshitification is not even on the radar of politicians. They wouldn’t give one sentence to it. This is in fact for the reason I suggest: consumers have taken the side of enablers. You can see it just in the votes of this thread.

Politicians look at metrics. (update: link)

My energy supplier sent me a notice telling me to submit my meter reading digitally. There is a CAPTCHA blocking me from doing so. If everyone solves the CAPTCHA, the politicians don’t even know there is a problem. People who are too lazy to submit their meter reading the old fashioned way are sure as hell too lazy to write a complaint. But if 3% of the consumers were to refuse the CAPTCHA and perhaps complain to either the supplier or the suppliers regulator, that would create a metric that politicians see. I do my part to ensure my protest appears in a metric that is seen by a politician. This happens in parallel to refusing the CAPTCHA.

Solving the CAPTCHA send the opposite signal: that the mechanism works.

Here’s the thing: protesting enshittification takes expertise, time, and energy. I’ve been working on degoogling and such, and it’s honestly difficult. Installing Linux is easier now than it used to be, but it’s still a learning curve for the average person.

You do not have to be an expert to oppose CAPTCHAs. Every form of enshitification has varying degrees of detection due to varying degrees of expertise. With knowledge comes responsibilty. To the extent that you can recognise the enshitification and avoid it, you have a social responsibility for doing so. It doesn’t work to say your neighbor is not tech literate enough to recognize dark pattern Y, so you are somehow absolved of your duty. It’s another matter entirely to talk about duty to be informed, which is of course debatable.

In addition, we can create regulations that benefit and protect the average person,

The GDPR has been a shit-show. It does cover many shenanigans with cookies and dark patterns (which are covered as well as possible in the European Data Protection Board’s guidelines 03/2022). But until you read how this unfolds into codified law, you are far to confident and reliant on the legal approach. Just as we see climate action being a disaster for the same reasons.

How would you codify a law against CAPTCHAs? The govs themselves use them. You cannot search the business registration databases of many US state secretaries because of a CAPTCHA. Precisely codifying circumstances to prohibit without excessive nannying but at the same time without being useless is a great feat in itself, and also an enforcement nightmare.

I am up to my neck in GDPR violations, many of which are quite blunt and simple to prove, yet not a single report I’ve submitted leads to enforcement.

Hope that regulation will solve enshitification is rediculous in the face of more important policies like Article 17 of the GDPR goes without enforcement. It’s not THE answer -- not in the slightest. By all means, write to lawmakers and ask for anti-enshitification law, for all it’s worth, but it would be the least effective option on the table. Boycotts are more under your control and can be more effective. And boycotts lead to metrics that politicians see.

 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24598576

The state of the fedi superficially parallels what Eric S. Raymond articulated in the 1990s on software construction. There are two models for digital community building within the fediverse. The intent was a decentralised bazaar whereby power is well dispersed, with no single entity excessively wielding disproportionate power. Activitypub was designed to enable the bazaar model to exist, but it neglects to curtail the antithetical model that anarchy-minded folks want to escape: the cathedral.

The hope and expectation was simply that builders of giant monolithic cathedrals would have no interest in the fedi; that they would want their empire to take the conventional path of walling themselves off. Fedi founders did not envision ambitions for power would emerge within the fedi. Who would have predicted that Facebook would decide to compromise its garden walls in exchange for influence over a quite small population? Or that Cloudflare’s centralized walled garden would be exploited to supercharge disproportionate growth by node operators intent on using the network effect to concentrate power? These kinds of technofeudal actors have traditionally vied for absolute power without attempting to cannabalise and occupy a fair structure to then coexist with.

Fedi founders thought the federate/defederate option would sufficiently control for actors who would work against the vision of the bazaar. This blunt tool relies heavily on the demographic of relative pseudo anarchists being larger than it is.

I think it was Kensanata (Alex Schröder) who notably stressed what I regard as a true dichotomy, the sentiment of which was something to the effect of:

you can simply go where the people are, or you can go where the platform and tech is well-designed.¹

The former are utilitarians and the latter are deontologists who find other people (though far fewer) that share the same understanding and appreciation of structures that feature resistance to tyranny. The separation is comparable to anarchists (at heart) seeking out a small freedom-rich niche away from the ivory tower cathedral.

The bazaar (decentralised) segment of the fedi comes at the cost of utility, as principles of digital ethics trump the instant gratification of a large audience. The sacrifice is not in vain. It’s made with an expectation that wisdom will spread and sustain. Though it seems clear that the cathedral will always exist and perhaps always enjoy dominance of the majority who serve it (are pawned by it).

There is a noteworthy contrast from Raymond’s C&B essay. Raymond likens the bazaar to “selfish agents” attributed to “utilitarian” Linux hackers under the idea that Linus harnesses their egos collectively (“egoboo”). Whereas in the fediverse of community builders, it is the selfish agents unwilling to compromise time and convenience who fill the cathedrals, baited by heavily populated communities.

Raves and Burning Man started off small and great; rich in culture, before rapid growth diluted the subculture and commercialisation did what it does. The natural response is to “take it underground” to try to restore the original greatness.

The fedi has passed that inflection point. We have LW serfs popping into */c/privacy communities to heckle whoever they perceive as “paranoid”, or worse, deliver a lecture on privacy (from Cloudflare). There is a profound and somewhat ironic number of CF cathedral folks making way into digital rights types of communities, not seeing the starkness of which would be comparable to Donald Trump appearing at a reggae festival, or an AOL user in the 1990s stepping into an engineering usenet newsgroup.

So here’s a fun search result:

🌩 lemmy.world🌩|decentralization 🌩 kbin.earth🌩|decentralize ⚠lemmy.ml/c/decentralized

There are just 3 communities specifically for decentralisation chatter and they are all on centralised hosts. It’s actually useful that they exist in those places from an outreach standpoint. But it’s likely being overly generous to assume they exist for outreach to those who need to be reached.

Anyway, going forward we need tools and datasets with metrics. The metrics currently serve the utilitarian who simply looks for the most exposure of their content without regard to the ethics underpinning decentralisation. Metrics that serve the bazaar would have to measure degree of power centralisation.

¹ paraphrased - not an exact quote

 

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/24598576

The state of the fedi superficially parallels what Eric S. Raymond articulated in the 1990s on software construction. There are two models for digital community building within the fediverse. The intent was a decentralised bazaar whereby power is well dispersed, with no single entity excessively wielding disproportionate power. Activitypub was designed to enable the bazaar model to exist, but it neglects to curtail the antithetical model that anarchy-minded folks want to escape: the cathedral.

The hope and expectation was simply that builders of giant monolithic cathedrals would have no interest in the fedi; that they would want their empire to take the conventional path of walling themselves off. Fedi founders did not envision ambitions for power would emerge within the fedi. Who would have predicted that Facebook would decide to compromise its garden walls in exchange for influence over a quite small population? Or that Cloudflare’s centralized walled garden would be exploited to supercharge disproportionate growth by node operators intent on using the network effect to concentrate power? These kinds of technofeudal actors have traditionally vied for absolute power without attempting to cannabalise and occupy a fair structure to then coexist with.

Fedi founders thought the federate/defederate option would sufficiently control for actors who would work against the vision of the bazaar. This blunt tool relies heavily on the demographic of relative pseudo anarchists being larger than it is.

I think it was Kensanata (Alex Schröder) who notably stressed what I regard as a true dichotomy, the sentiment of which was something to the effect of:

you can simply go where the people are, or you can go where the platform and tech is well-designed.¹

The former are utilitarians and the latter are deontologists who find other people (though far fewer) that share the same understanding and appreciation of structures that feature resistance to tyranny. The separation is comparable to anarchists (at heart) seeking out a small freedom-rich niche away from the ivory tower cathedral.

The bazaar (decentralised) segment of the fedi comes at the cost of utility, as principles of digital ethics trump the instant gratification of a large audience. The sacrifice is not in vain. It’s made with an expectation that wisdom will spread and sustain. Though it seems clear that the cathedral will always exist and perhaps always enjoy dominance of the majority who serve it (are pawned by it).

There is a noteworthy contrast from Raymond’s C&B essay. Raymond likens the bazaar to “selfish agents” attributed to “utilitarian” Linux hackers under the idea that Linus harnesses their egos collectively (“egoboo”). Whereas in the fediverse of community builders, it is the selfish agents unwilling to compromise time and convenience who fill the cathedrals, baited by heavily populated communities.

Raves and Burning Man started off small and great; rich in culture, before rapid growth diluted the subculture and commercialisation did what it does. The natural response is to “take it underground” to try to restore the original greatness.

The fedi has passed that inflection point. We have LW serfs popping into */c/privacy communities to heckle whoever they perceive as “paranoid”, or worse, deliver a lecture on privacy (from Cloudflare). There is a profound and somewhat ironic number of CF cathedral folks making way into digital rights types of communities, not seeing the starkness of which would be comparable to Donald Trump appearing at a reggae festival, or an AOL user in the 1990s stepping into an engineering usenet newsgroup.

So here’s a fun search result:

🌩 lemmy.world🌩|decentralization 🌩 kbin.earth🌩|decentralize ⚠lemmy.ml/c/decentralized

There are just 3 communities specifically for decentralisation chatter and they are all on centralised hosts. It’s actually useful that they exist in those places from an outreach standpoint. But it’s likely being overly generous to assume they exist for outreach to those who need to be reached.

Anyway, going forward we need tools and datasets with metrics. The metrics currently serve the utilitarian who simply looks for the most exposure of their content without regard to the ethics underpinning decentralisation. Metrics that serve the bazaar would have to measure degree of power centralisation.

¹ paraphrased - not an exact quote

 

The state of the fedi superficially parallels what Eric S. Raymond articulated in the 1990s on software construction. There are two models for digital community building within the fediverse. The intent was a decentralised bazaar whereby power is well dispersed, with no single entity excessively wielding disproportionate power. Activitypub was designed to enable the bazaar model to exist, but it neglects to curtail the antithetical model that anarchy-minded folks want to escape: the cathedral.

The hope and expectation was simply that builders of giant monolithic cathedrals would have no interest in the fedi; that they would want their empire to take the conventional path of walling themselves off. Fedi founders did not envision ambitions for power would emerge within the fedi. Who would have predicted that Facebook would decide to compromise its garden walls in exchange for influence over a quite small population? Or that Cloudflare’s centralized walled garden would be exploited to supercharge disproportionate growth by node operators intent on using the network effect to concentrate power? These kinds of technofeudal actors have traditionally vied for absolute power without attempting to cannabalise and occupy a fair structure to then coexist with.

Fedi founders thought the federate/defederate option would sufficiently control for actors who would work against the vision of the bazaar. This blunt tool relies heavily on the demographic of relative pseudo anarchists being larger than it is.

I think it was Kensanata (Alex Schröder) who notably stressed what I regard as a true dichotomy, the sentiment of which was something to the effect of:

you can simply go where the people are, or you can go where the platform and tech is well-designed.¹

The former are utilitarians and the latter are deontologists who find other people (though far fewer) that share the same understanding and appreciation of structures that feature resistance to tyranny. The separation is comparable to anarchists (at heart) seeking out a small freedom-rich niche away from the ivory tower cathedral.

The bazaar (decentralised) segment of the fedi comes at the cost of utility, as principles of digital ethics trump the instant gratification of a large audience. The sacrifice is not in vain. It’s made with an expectation that wisdom will spread and sustain. Though it seems clear that the cathedral will always exist and perhaps always enjoy dominance of the majority who serve it (are pawned by it).

There is a noteworthy contrast from Raymond’s C&B essay. Raymond likens the bazaar to “selfish agents” attributed to “utilitarian” Linux hackers under the idea that Linus harnesses their egos collectively (“egoboo”). Whereas in the fediverse of community builders, it is the selfish agents unwilling to compromise time and convenience who fill the cathedrals, baited by heavily populated communities.

Raves and Burning Man started off small and great; rich in culture, before rapid growth diluted the subculture and commercialisation did what it does. The natural response is to “take it underground” to try to restore the original greatness.

The fedi has passed that inflection point. We have LW serfs popping into */c/privacy communities to heckle whoever they perceive as “paranoid”, or worse, deliver a lecture on privacy (from Cloudflare). There is a profound and somewhat ironic number of CF cathedral folks making way into digital rights types of communities, not seeing the starkness of which would be comparable to Donald Trump appearing at a reggae festival, or an AOL user in the 1990s stepping into an engineering usenet newsgroup.

So here’s a fun search result:

🌩 lemmy.world🌩|decentralization
🌩 kbin.earth🌩|decentralize
⚠lemmy.ml/c/decentralized

There are just 3 communities specifically for decentralisation chatter and they are all on centralised hosts. It’s actually useful that they exist in those places from an outreach standpoint. But it’s likely being overly generous to assume they exist for outreach to those who need to be reached.

Anyway, going forward we need tools and datasets with metrics. The metrics currently serve the utilitarian who simply looks for the most exposure of their content without regard to the ethics underpinning decentralisation. Metrics that serve the bazaar would have to measure degree of power centralisation.

¹ paraphrased - not an exact quote

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

So you’re saying that unhoused, impoverished unemployed people have the social capital to change the world?

This analogy you continue to use is broken. Give it up.

You might have to toil for shit wages, but you don’t have to solve every CAPTCHA puzzle that arrives on your screen.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

While your mission statement says you want to increase decentralization, functionally you’re maximizing subscription to communities with the smallest audiences and least amount of content.

Indeed, the logic is sequitur. But to be clear, it’s not exactly about subscriptions. You can post without a subscription.

If you assume everyone in the FediVerse is browsing World

We need not make assumptions. The data is public.

but this approach makes topic-focused subscription browsing a wasteland. What am I missing?

Subscription has nothing to do with this. The script does not look for subscriptions. It simply looks for communities that are not part of a centralised concentration of disproportionate power.

Subscription counts are in the dataset. So it would be trivial to adapt the script to express those numbers and sort on them. But the fedi is small. There are usually not so many competing results to make that interesting. After shortlisting a community, before posting I dump the figures to the terminal so I know to what extent my target forum is a ghost town.

Why is this good?

Oof. This thread is not the place to explain the value of decentralised digital communities. The premise is that the reader already accepts that. There’s probably a blog somewhere that details the purpose of the fedi and the harms of centralisation. I’ll write something up in a separate post.

(edit) The philosophy is covered here:
https://slrpnk.net/post/24598576

I will say, if support for meta-filtering was broader - browsing not by subscription, but by key phrase match in either community or post tags, this would be a good approach.

Lemmy communities don’t have tags AFAICT. There is a description, part of which is in the lemmyverse dataset (which my script searches if specified). M/Kbin mags also lack tags, so you’ll have to clarify. Do you mean hashtags?

When you say post tags, that sounds like a huge dataset. It would be useful but the usefulness is at odds with resource efficiency.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Climate action. Meat eating car drivers don’t blame themselves. They blame ExxonMobile, which effectively offloads the meat-eating car driver from taking responsibility for their own contribution to the problem. Enshitification of the digital space has the same blame-failure as enshitification of the planet.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It’s like voting in elections. I cast my drop-in-the-ocean vote to do my part, which on its own has negligible power but it gives me the satisfaction of knowing that I am not part of the problem. It gives peace of mind and a kind of freedom amid the various prisons around us.

Do you believe this approach is going to change anything?

Non-voter shaming is indeed a strategy used in US elections. If it did not have effect, they would not spend money on it.

[–] activistPnk@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

This gives me an idea. The equivalent of bumper stickers for our fedi traffic. An icon or something at the bottom of my posts signaling that I don’t solve CAPTCHAs, or use clearnet, or email MS/Google recipients, etc. It would have to be a tiny 1-liner that’s not severely cluttered or noisy, but /something/ like the blue ribbon campaign decades ago. Maybe avatar is a good place for that, to keep things tidy.

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