ZahzenEclipse

Marxist leninists need to stop with this schtick. It unhelpful and it's not historically. I mean you can say it's a proponent but you also have to accept it's also it's biggest opponent as well. Liberalism is what defeated fascism 9/10 times.

Edit: i guess it depends on how you define liberalism

You're probably right but I think the bigger issue is he can use cover of "well people would have ran with whatever narrative anyways so it's really not relevant to people jumping to that conclusion." In my opinion, we 100% should criticize him and recognize that it helped foster the sentiment it was an Israeli attack. Either way, the bigger issue is he doesn't think he did anything wrong reporting that way and I think thats a problem. Appreciate the back and forth.

No, im saying the reporting the explosion in the parking lot of a hospital as "flattening the hospital" was irresponsible and it's no wonder it would make people think Israel blew it up by simply stating those things as facts. It was irresponsible to report it this way, especially since there was no evidence to suggest that was the case.

What's the point of a comment like this?

I dont think most people support ethnic cleansing in all honestly even the people who want to completely dissolve Israel (even though it would most likely lead to an exodus of jews).

Hamas isn't a functioning government? Why do ypu give them so much leeway?

Yeah it would lead neutral observers to beleive Israel flattened a hospital since they are the only ones immediately in the region with the munitions to do so. Both things can be true

Anything that broke the "echochamber" is what got downvoted but this was never strictly about downvoting it was about moderation so im not sure why you shifted the focus to downvotes. We know you're trying to essentially say the people who got downvoted or moderated deserved it because they said things so "bad" they deserved to be moderated. I'm not sure that's always true or even mostly true.

You're right that free speech typically means the ability to speak freely without government intervention but I think you're being obtuse if you don't see how those implications could be limited by corporations online and if you're comfortable with censorship online not being democratically decided upon that's cool but I don't trust the corporations as much as you do i guess.

You need free speech to ensure teachers don't get fired for teaching science. I'd be care about removing that ability from other roles and people just because you disagree with the premise.

I think I just have to agree to disagree. It's a simple philosophy problem in my head

"Hospital got flattened"

"Hamas doesn't have munitions to flatten hospital"

"Israel flattened the hospital"

If you're reporting about a flattened hospital in Gaza, you're tactically supporting the idea Israel did it by simply reporting that a hospital got flattened. It also shouldn't suprise you that's how many people online ran with it.

In that sense, at least they are transparent a put being authoritarian. There are too many "populist left" spaces where those things aren't spelled out and you'll be banned for a vague rule that could be anything and everything. I despise when they don't give transparency to their rules and how they enforce them. It's generally bad too imo. That being said, mods have a hard fucking job admittedly and they aren't paid.