or any of a number of other accusations that say that trans people don’t exist
Can you actually show us some evidence to support what you're saying here? No one says "trans people don't exist".
Whirlybird
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The n-word is not a slur “in and of itself” either; people can use it in non-pejorative situations… just as pronouns.
No, it's definitely a slur "in and of itself". You're fighting a losing battle here, you're 100% wrong.
Misgendering someone is transphobic in exactly the same way that calling them the n-word is racist. It means you are prejudiced against that person for what makes them different — in this case it just sounds like you believe trans people don’t exist or are mentally ill members of their birth gender.
You're taking the piss here, right?
Misgendering someone is in no way the same as calling a black person the n-word lol. It would be more like calling them a "tranny" is the closest equivalent, though no equivalent to the n-word exists.
Misgendering is, at worst, rude. That's assuming that they have told you their "pronouns" in the first place, and you chose not to use them. Rude, but in no way equivalent to calling a black person the n-word. It doesn't mean you're "prejudiced" against that person, it just means you either don't play along with coerced speech or their ideology, or you just don't care.
Thinking everyone you disagree with should be silenced and not allowed in is literally what fascists do. It's what the nazis did. How very "progressive" of you.
Everyone should be allowed to express their opinions and beliefs. Everyone, no matter how much you disagree with them. The onus should be on you to simply not engage with any that you don't want to, be that by simply ignoring them or by using the built in tools of the platform like blocking/ignoring. You're literally asking for censorship of speech.
I mean that is literally what a right to free speech means, so they're not wrong.
Everything is gaslighting when you don't actually know what gaslighting means but just want to use the latest term all your liberal friends use.
You deleting your posts from your own instance doesn't magically delete them from every other instance.
Free speech means people have to hear things they disagree with, and that is violence apparently.
How can you say self identifying in regards to sex/gender is a recent ideology when it’s been part of human history for centuries?
It hasn't though. People are now using absurd leaps to try and pretend that it has been around for centuries, but it hasn't. Got some links to these "third gender" stories?
No, I don’t approve of irreversible medical surgeries on people under age of 16, but that’s not a thing in any case.
That thing that never happens yet still happens isn't actually happening? lol Also why did you choose 16 as your cutoff? They're still legally, physically, and mentally a child at 16.
in which case it is temporary, reversible, and typically starts at 8 (10+ for boys).
Not fully reversible, and the sooner your "side" acknowledges this the better. Governments all over the world are recognising this now and are removing all mentions of "fully reversible" from their documents and legislation, and many are now outlawing it altogether because there are literally no long term studies done to prove that they are reversible. The difference between 3 and 8 or 10 is completely irrelevant. A 8 year old has no better understanding of gender identity than a 3 year old, they lack the mental capacity for understanding this and they absolutely cannot understand the life long repercussions.
My child is sick, feeling depressed, I go to the doctor, they discuss possible issues, and through preset, clinical guidelines, they decide that treatment for gender dysmorphia is an option.
Sick? Gender dysphoria/dysmorphia doesn't make anyone "sick". You're also overlooking all of the places that hand out diagnoses and scripts for drugs after a literal 10 minute phone call, intentionally so most likely.
I’m not even talking about transgender surgeries, which happens at 18+ of age.
Apart from when they don't, like how you yourself even said in this same post that you're ok with it at 16 years of age. What is it, 18 or 16?
If one wants another to call them by another thing, who are we to dispute that?
Again, this is the problem - you can call yourself whatever you want. I. Don't. Care. Simply calling yourself a woman however should not mean that you now have access to women's sports and women only safe spaces like gyms and doctors etc.
There have been exactly 0 assaults by transgender women entering a public bathroom.
Come on mate, you don't even believe these lies.
And your concerns about a troll entering sports competition is going to out-weight all of the self-harm and suicides committed by people suffering from unaddressed gender identity issues?
The fact that even post gender affirming surgery the suicide rate doesn't decrease among transgender people says all that needs to be said. You're basically saying "let womens sports be taken over by biological males because if you don't the transgender people will kill themselves". I believe this is what you guys call "gaslighting"?
Show me one time where that has happened and it has harmed someone else by doing it.
I literally just did with the weightlifting example. A woman lost out on a prize because a man chose to be a woman so he could enter the competition. Self ID lets that happen. He did it to stop another self ID'ing transgender person from winning, to show how stupid the rule is. If you want other examples just look at the women that get raped in bloody rape crisis centres and even prisons by self id'ing males.
And again, if they want to change their gender a thousand times, how is it any of your business? Besides sports competitions and bathrooms.
Sports competitions and bathrooms etc in this situation are the only thing I am against. I don't care if you want to change your gender 1000000 times a day. It doesn't affect me. I don't care. As I've said many times, I care when it affects other people, such as in sporting competitions and bathrooms (and children of course).
Look, I understand that if I call someone that looks and talk like a women a she, but wants to be called a man, there’s going to be a confusion. But what do I lose out of my day if they simply said “sorry, I’m actually a he” and I respect that moving forward?
You're not going to get any disagreement from me though, this is what I keep saying. I have nothing against transgender people. Everyone can live their life identifying as whatever the hell they want, I don't care. I care about fairness, safety, and scientific facts though, so when you identifying as something else encroaches on any of that, that's when we have a problem.
If you're going to go by definitions then you have to have the element of "fear" in there. You're scared of trans people - that's what the "phobia" part means. Are you saying that people that disagree with biological men participating in womens sport are scared of trans people?