Whattrees

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[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (57 children)

I have a hard time imagining you didn't understand the question but I do understand why you wouldn't care to answer it. Just in case there is a language barrier or some other reason why you didn't understand a basic English sentence, I'll try putting it in simpler words:

Is it antisemitic to disagree with the Israeli government or their position on historical events?

The analogy here is that animus against a government says nothing at all about animus towards a people. Even if you are correct about the West having animus towards the government of China, that doesn't equate to animus towards Chinese people. You can certainly argue that their is racist animus, but the example of that couldn't be disagreement with the government's position in the same way that disagreement with the Israeli government's position is not evidence of antisemitism even though antisemitism is a real thing that exists.

people saying you can’t even talk about tiannamen square in China, which is false.

I'd be curious to read any sources you have for this claim. Why would the government ban information about the event in addition to arrests and intimidation towards people who want to memorialize the anniversary of the event? Would it be ok for the US to ban information about J6 and arrest people who wanted to organize a protest in remembrance? (Setting aside the morality of the changes sought by the J6 protesters vs TS protesters, they both have a basic human right to protest and hold memorial events)

The reason why I would call it sinophobic is that that statement reifies the lie that Chinese people don’t understand their own history

So, again the claim you are responding to is about the Chinese government's position on TS. As you just said a moment ago, the claim is that you can't talk about TS because the government doesn't allow it. Why does the government want its citizens to not know about TS? As you say, their own history?

As an analogy, racists in America say that black people are inherently more violent than white people. Is it racist to acknowledge the objective fact that black people are arrested for violent crimes in disproportionate numbers? Does that statement say anything at all about the inherent nature of black people? Can we not even talk about poverty being the root cause of crime and the systemic racism in the criminal justice system without it being racist?

In the same way, if the government of China is trying to hide information about their history, is calling out that government action racist? If so, then you have just given a blank-check to the CCP.

wouldn’t defend themselves against an unjust government

Maybe you kind of missed the whole point of what the West says happened at TS, but the student protesters were doing exactly that when the PLA got sent in. That's kind of the whole point. The protesters were there to defend themselves and their fellow citizens against an unjust government when they were violently quelled by that very government.

would simply accept not being allowed to discuss events that happened in their living memory or else suffer punishment.

Maybe you don't know much about how authoritarian governments operate. If the punishments exist and are sufficiently terrifying you can keep most citizens from believing the things you don't want them to, or at least from speaking those thoughts in public. And again, the whole point of the anniversary protests in HK that China went in to shut down was that they were there to reject not being able to discuss those things when China took control of the government. Is it just a coincidence that those protests don't happen anymore or could it be that the fear created by the government's actions against protesters have succeeded in their goal for the most part?

Again, this entire conversation is about the actions of a government. Whether or not they overlap with racist tropes isn't relevant to the truth of the claims. Acknowledging that the treatment of Palestinians is unjust and genocidal is not antisemitic even though there is a stereotype that Jews lie. Acknowledging that the treatment of TS protesters was unjust and murderous is not sinophobic even though there is a stereotype that Chinese people don't fight for their freedoms.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, is there a 97% consensus among historians that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong the same way that 97% of studies indicate climate change is real and human caused? Are there entire fields of study that only exist because of the agreement that the western narrative of Tiananmen is wrong like plate techtonics for the spherical earth? Do we have constant access to the physical evidence of the CCPs claim like we do with satellites that can only work with a spherical earth?

Even assuming you are being hyperbolic, your statement is outrageous on its face.

Did you not see the other commenter in this thread saying that not a single student protester died?

Also I love the attempt to shift the blame by "clarifying" that it was "violent activists" that died and not more neutral terms like student protesters or citizens demanding democracy.

Quick question, if the CCPs actions were so clearly justified and good, why does China spend so much energy and money trying to keep their citizens in the dark about it?

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (64 children)

Genuine question, is criticism of the Israeli government, even based on falsehoods or misunderstandings, antisemitism?

To say that reference to a historical event that the CCP doesn't believe happened the way the west does is sinophobic is on the same level. At best you'd have people with unjustified animus towards the government of China but not its people. After all, is the claim that the people of China collectively slaughtered those student protesters demanding reasonable changes to a corrupt system or that the government did so?

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

He dropped out after even more polls showed he had no real chance of beating Trump. The poll that came out that morning showed him losing Michigan by 7 points. Polls earlier in the week showed too close to call for a bunch of "safe" states. Harris is not my dream candidate, but she consistently polls better against Trump than Biden did following the debate.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd pick the one that polls the highest against Trump whether I like them or not. That was the only reason I was supporting Biden in the past. If I could go back in time and do a real primary and pick someone based on who would run the country the best it could be a million people (Bernie, AOC, Buttigieg, etc), but the thing that matters to me most is who stands the best chance against Trump. A milquetoast do-nothing dem is a mile ahead of Trump 2.0 + P2025.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, I'm gonna say it, I'd love to vote for a gay man. I'd love to see the GOP desperately try to bite their tongue knowing that the overwhelming majority of Americans wouldn't support them saying "don't vote for the f*****" which we all know they'd want to say so damn hard. You know they'd end up slipping up and showing their true colors which could help turn people away.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 104 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Was a computer repair tech until a few months ago. About 6 months ago this older guy brought in his laptop because he had been hacked and they had changed his password. Was able to change the password to something new using some fancy tools but upon getting in all his files were still missing. Turns out OneDrive was on and ALL of his important files were only on OneDrive and not the computer. Well, Microsoft had changed his password when the hackers changed his computer password so he was locked out and Microsoft didn't believe he owned the account anymore since he didn't know the password. After weeks of calls he just gave up trying to get his stuff back.

Fuck OneDrive.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

My personal suspicion (not based on any hard data, just a guess) is that he was a right-wing accelerationist who thought that killing Trump and/or his supporters would encourage others to "fight back" against the liberals and start the war the right has been itching to fight for decades. I've seen that same thing before in the boogaloo boys.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

A few years ago I replaced our electric furnace with a heat pump which also gave us AC. Overall the yearly bill went up because we now had AC, but winter months usage is almost half of what it was before. Only matching on the extra cold days where the backup heat kicks in.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But something must have triggered the big bang.

That's a separate claim you'd have to prove. We have no evidence of something triggering it, we don't even know that it would need to be triggered. All of our observations occur inside this universe, therefore we have no idea at all if cause-and-effect even applies to the universe as a whole. The short answer is: we don't know and have no reason to posit the need for something else.

What does it mean for something to be "beyond" everywhere or before time?

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Costco's business model is wild if you look into it. Pretty much every item they sell is a loss-leader for their actual money maker - memberships.

[–] Whattrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Ohh of course. You only wanted a civil discussion. That's why you immediately compared trans health care to pedophilia and called your own statement an insane position. That's also why you have continuously failed to provide evidence for a single claim you've made. Ya, you totally just wanted a calm discussion of intellectuals.

I am proud that you think so little of me. It warms my heart. The hate of bigots is the coal my generators need. You keep saying you're going to stop responding but you don't. You know you like it, come on...Keep it going...Fuel my generators baby.

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