Vittelius

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[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 7 points 4 days ago

I'm not defending the praxis, but I will point out that this is a slightly different problem. The initiative is fine with publishers delisting a game, after all. It's more concerned with what happens to a game after it has been sold.

That doesn't excuse payment providers playing cop, but again: Slightly different problem.

 

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/16494262

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/16494160

I think I don't really need to explain what SKG is. The initiative has been discussed here on Lemmy enough that I think most people have heard of it.

For the hand full of people who haven't: It's a movement aiming to keep games legally playable after support has ended by the support has ended by the devs. Check the official website for more details: https://stopkillinggames.com/

The European Citizens Initiative still accepts signatures for two days. If you have not signed it yet and you are eligible to do so (EU citizen of voting age - that's either 16 or 18, depending on the member country) please do so now. The link for it is on the official website linked above.

That's not the only avenue to reach our goal however. The EU's Digital Fairness Act just reached its public consultation phase. The new law attempts to provide a lot of consumer protections in the digital realm, such as a ban on dark patterns. It currently doesn't cover the planned obsolescence of video games, but it is open to amendments. And that's where you come in: If you are an EU citizen of voting age, then you can provide feedback to the proposed law and maybe we can get protections for gamers in there.

You can give the feedback on the EUs official website: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act_en

 

cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/16494160

I think I don't really need to explain what SKG is. The initiative has been discussed here on Lemmy enough that I think most people have heard of it.

For the hand full of people who haven't: It's a movement aiming to keep games legally playable after support has ended by the support has ended by the devs. Check the official website for more details: https://stopkillinggames.com/

The European Citizens Initiative still accepts signatures for two days. If you have not signed it yet and you are eligible to do so (EU citizen of voting age - that's either 16 or 18, depending on the member country) please do so now. The link for it is on the official website linked above.

That's not the only avenue to reach our goal however. The EU's Digital Fairness Act just reached its public consultation phase. The new law attempts to provide a lot of consumer protections in the digital realm, such as a ban on dark patterns. It currently doesn't cover the planned obsolescence of video games, but it is open to amendments. And that's where you come in: If you are an EU citizen of voting age, then you can provide feedback to the proposed law and maybe we can get protections for gamers in there.

You can give the feedback on the EUs official website: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act_en

 

I think I don't really need to explain what SKG is. The initiative has been discussed here on Lemmy enough that I think most people have heard of it.

For the hand full of people who haven't: It's a movement aiming to keep games legally playable after support has ended by the support has ended by the devs. Check the official website for more details: https://stopkillinggames.com/

The European Citizens Initiative still accepts signatures for two days. If you have not signed it yet and you are eligible to do so (EU citizen of voting age - that's either 16 or 18, depending on the member country) please do so now. The link for it is on the official website linked above.

That's not the only avenue to reach our goal however. The EU's Digital Fairness Act just reached its public consultation phase. The new law attempts to provide a lot of consumer protections in the digital realm, such as a ban on dark patterns. It currently doesn't cover the planned obsolescence of video games, but it is open to amendments. And that's where you come in: If you are an EU citizen of voting age, then you can provide feedback to the proposed law and maybe we can get protections for gamers in there.

You can give the feedback on the EUs official website: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act_en

 

Provide your feedback on the EU's proposed Digital Fairness Act here: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14622-Digital-Fairness-Act_en

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[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago

Yes the European Commission is operating its own Mastodon instance

 

Thank you for your message and for bringing the European Citizens' Initiative "Stop Destroying Videogames" to our attention. Your question touches on a fundamental issue in the digital age: what does ownership even mean when digital products can simply disappear?

Today, millions of European citizens buy their video games digitally. Yet, they often remain dependent on publisher servers or support to maintain access to the game or additional in-game items they paid for. When this support is discontinued, the product disappears—without compensation, without an alternative. This is unfair, unsustainable, and contrary to consumer expectations when making a purchase.

Your concern is therefore entirely justified. Losing access to a purchased game or content is not only a consumer problem but also a threat to digital sustainability.

We therefore support the call for regulations that oblige publishers to leave video games in a usable state after support ends, for example, by offering an offline mode or providing a clear end-of-life plan. Ending support should not automatically mean the end of the fun or the right of access for those who paid for it. Therefore, I will share your concerns with my colleagues on the Consumer Protection Committee in the European Parliament.

Digital products, like physical goods, must be treated with respect: as something that endures, not simply disappears.

Sincerely,

Kathleen Van Brempt

Group of the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats in the European Parliament (S&D)

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by Vittelius@feddit.org to c/skg@lemmy.dbzer0.com
 

Videogames Europe didn't just release a short press statement yesterday, they also released thus much longer position paper.

Warning: Reading it might cause brain damage

Video Games Europe represents 19 European and international video game companies and 13 national trade associations across the continent.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 16 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

That part of the argument is slightly different. If I understand the press statement correctly, what they are saying is: "Some servers can't, on a technical level, be hosted by the community". And that's not a straw man (arguing against something never asked for), that's just a lie. We have access to all the same stuff as the industry (AWS etc). Hosting these kinds of servers might be very expensive, but the initiative only asks for a way to keep games alive not for a cheap way (though I would prefer a cheap way of course)

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 34 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's because it is corp. Videogames Europe is the lobbying organisation of the Euopean gaming indusry

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 60 points 4 weeks ago (6 children)

It's also a strawman argument. Because yes, developers have less to no control over the operation of private servers. Yes, that means they can't moderate those servers.

But

This initiative only covers games, not supported anymore by the devs anyway. Meaning legally speaking everything happening to private servers would be literally not their concern anymore. And new legislation, should it come to that, would spell that out.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

why this does not happen at the time of signing is beyond me but whatever

Data protection. The EU doesn't do the validation, they don't even have the data necessary for it. That job falls to the national governments. But why share the data if the initiative wasn't successful in the first place.

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago

Nah, the API is still returning data, the database seems to not be affected. It's just to many people trying to access the site simultaneously, accidentally DDOSing the server

 

Don't get too excited, because this is a prototype (by Timothée Giet) and isn't connected to #krita itself. But... You can get a feel of the way the workflow goes. I was really satisfied playing with it on my phone.

https://kde.social/@halla/114788984956143280

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Third party tracker: https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

It won't give you any information right now as the API is down as well but that's the pace to check once the EU gets their servers up and running again

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

Thx for the info. I've changed it to a different host

[–] Vittelius@feddit.org 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Turns out people need villains with faces. And the gaming industry wasn't personable enough to truly hate.

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