VinesNFluff

I guess congratulations on proving the point I made on my other post?

Gnome’s attitude towards everything seems to be “$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on”

Also what is the difference between a system tray and a control center?

Functionally, there isn't one. Both serve the same ultimate purpose: To be an area where background services and system functionality can be accessed quickly and easily, while staying out of the way of whatever you're doing in the foreground.

The tray is just an older, arguably more primitive metaphor for the same thing: "Just give every service and app its own icon, and make it so that icon can be clicked to access its options and features". It's simple, but it works.

The control center is more elegant, like, really, it is. It saves screen real estate and such. Giving you a little scrollable window where every controllable thing has its own little area. But that is contingent on the application itself implementing that functionality. When an application expects an old-fashioned tray, Gnome's control center just tells that app to go $&#* itself, when they could, if they wanted to, just add a corner on the control center for "legacy apps". But they don't wanna, because they think they know better than everyone else.

It's the default for Fedora and I think Debian too but don't quote me on the second one.

Me I use SUSE which lets me choose what DE to install.

Hyprland is pretty cool. Used it for a few montths after I broke my KDE Plasma and couldn't be fucked to fix it (long story)

This thread is the first time I hear about Cosmic though. Looks interesting in pictures.

My complaint with Gnome is just one, but it is overbearing: Gnome devs want to decide what is best for you, which stinks and goes against the very fundament of open software. But would not per se be a problem -- If they hadn't also decided that a bunch of things that are considered basic features that every other DE and even other OSes have implemented for the past 20 years are, in fact, unnecessary.

Consider the humble System Tray.

Gnome removed the System Tray in favour of a "Control Center". And the Control Center works really well -- For inbuilt Gnome stuff and applications that were written for Gnome. But stuff that is DE agnostic, or god forbid, ported over from another OS? Some of them expect a tray to be there. Have functionality that doesn't work without one. Or do work but are janky. Gnome doesn't offer a system tray. You have to install a third party extension, which would also be fine... Except every time Gnome updates every other third party extension breaks.

And like, sure, it's not Gnome Devs' job to ensure the operability of third party addons, but that you need them to begin with is a failure. Gnome's attitude towards everything seems to be "$#¨$ you, like just actually go &%$# yourself. You do things our way or you use something else. We have decided these things are useless, if you think they are necessary you are a $&@# and %$#$ you and the horse you rode in on"

As for my personal favourite DE? KDE Plasma. It's not something I'd ever recommend to a newcomer, but I like it precisely because of how many moving parts it has. I can make my system look, feel, and act just the way I like it. It's like the polar opposite of Gnome really.

I mean. Yes. But Gnome 2 was actually good. It was before the Gnome team caught the "cutting out literally everything for seemingly no reason" disease.

Before they started thinking they knew better than everyone else.

I actually think general Gnome workflow is pretty alright (even if I prefer other things), but yeah, Gnome devs seem to like. Actively hate their users?

The only thing you got wrong is that the toilet extension would be a third-party thing, and Gnome devs would actively insult anyone who dared be upset they broke it.

Cinnamon is pretty dope

I use Plasma because I'm literally this, but Cinnamon is what I'd recommend to people who say they want something "familiar looking but that just gets out of the way so you can start using your computer to do shit" -- Which ironically is what Gnome purports itself to be.

The Bite Boys

It's a boyband. They play tough in their marketing but anyone who likes them, likes them because they are cute.

The Internet Archive. Technically founded in '96, but didn't come into its own until the mid aughts. It is an awe-inspiring thing that corporate greed has been trying to take from us.

John Cena school would be great.