Vegoon

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[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Would you be good with Bezos saying

I'm all in for robots if they work as fast as humans and are cheaper than the slave wage I pay them now

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago

The industry kills 90 Billions each year. The IPCC calculates with a decline over 20 years. So maybe people pay next year to only raise and kill 60 Billions and so on.

Farmers already kill them if they have a financial incentive like raising feed prices or falling meat/dairy prices.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

A plant based diet is cheaper, maybe not as available if you eat out or fast food a lot but that comes down to demand.

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here is the IPCC take on it:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aba7357

To have any hope of meeting the central goal of the Paris Agreement, which is to limit global warming to 2°C or less, our carbon emissions must be reduced considerably, including those coming from agriculture. Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5°C and difficult even to realize the 2°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 22 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I feel the need to explain the natural carbon circle.

You know that the problem with ruminants is that they produce methane and not CO2 which is 25 times worse? A cow takes carbon from the ground and the bacteria creates a 25 times more potent GHG. But you are right that creating new fields and tiling the soil is a huge factor.

IPCC on methan

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

In 100 years?

Eating meat
Natural gas stoves
Oil/Natural gas furnaces

This sounds like a solid +6°C plan if it takes 100 years

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago

In der CDU muss man einen Fleischeid ablegen wenn einen Nähe zu Gemüse vorgeworfen wird. Wichtig ist, wie der Artikel auch hervorgehoben hat, die Unterscheidung zwischen Tierindustrie, Futtermittelindustrie und Bauern die pflanzliche Lebensmittel herstellen. Unterscheidet man nicht passiert das wie in den Niederlanden wo eigentlich die Nitratbelastung gesenkt werden sollte was mit der Tierindustrie nicht vereinbar ist, dort ist die populistische Bürger und Bauernbewegung gewählt worden nachdem sie während Protesten die Häuser von Politikern mit Gülle angegriffen haben. Natürlich brauchen wir Bauern die seit Jahrhunderten für unser tägliches Brot sorgen, wir müssen aber der zerstörerischen Tierindustrie Grenzen setzen.

In Deutschland bilden sich die gleichen Organisationen die alle Maßnahmen zum Tier oder Umweltschutz radikal ablehnen. Als VW die "Veggiekantine" angekündigt haben riefen die "Freien Bauern" unter anderem dazu auf VWs zu zerkratzen.

Die rechten Parteien wollen mit dem "Bauerntod" Angst schüren und ignorieren dabei die Auswirkungen für Land, Wasser, Luft, Menschen und Tiere. Sie hoffen auf die gleichen Erfolge wie in den Niederlanden was aber nur gelingt wenn die Bevölkerung diese einfachen Lügen glaubt.

Momentan haben die Parteien Angst sich mit Forderungen wie die grünen mit ihren Veggiefreitag zur Zielscheibe zu machen. Die Ministerien und die meisten Politiker wissen natürlich um die Schäden sind aber zu feige es öffentlich zu sagen. Die nötigen Änderungen anzusprechen wird sich von Populisten erst getraut wenn ein Rückhalt in der Bevölkerung zu sehen ist. Hier ist eine Analyse zur Landwirtschaft und wie die Tierindustrie uns alle schädigt und wie groß das Potential ist:

https://www.bpb.de/themen/umwelt/landwirtschaft/343030/klima-und-landwirtschaft/

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ist halt ein Anfänger, nächstes mal mit dem Shredder wie anständige Menschen.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ah shit r/antivegan is leaking.

I thought you follow logic but you are just concern trolling. If you would care about other countries, other people and animals and have some sense of biology you would look at the rain forests and see that they are burnt down for your food. Animal food industry is a wasteful business that is unsustainable. You profit from the systematic exploitation of workers and animals. I am really convinced that I am right because it like thermodynamics, you are the on dreaming of manure being a magic sludge that just produces nutrients from thin air.

(8th most deadly, but who is counting? :) ).

With that ":)" You have disqualified yourself to be taken seriously while the meat industry has the highest suicide rate everywhere in the world. You don't even care about humans. Tractors which are used mainly for animal feed. I have proven your numbers wrong with a easy to read source.

frozen tofu my ass. All animal products need a cooled delivery chain, my tofu is from beans grown near me. You just try to make up bullshit to convince your sorry ass you are doing the right thing. All fake news and "they" lie all to you.

Beefcentral if you like that source more: https://www.beefcentral.com/news/ipcc-report-recommends-eating-more-plant-based-protein/

You are just a fact denier at that point, and a lire if you say you fight for animal rights.

[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
[–] Vegoon@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What exactly do you think we should plan to do with all the grass and waste product currently being used in feeding animals?

Currently 75% of the product grown is for animal food. Grass fed is less than 10% even in the USA, and all give extra feed. Grass produces way more methane in ruminants compared to starch based feed like soy for which the rain forest is burned down.

and the massive inefficiencies that would introduce.

You know you need massive amounts of feed to others before you can kill them for your pleasure? We could feed 10 billion people with the product we grow right now. Instead we feed it other animals.

I argue it’s easier to find technologies that can mitigate and reverse emissions than it is to find technologies to let the world cut out meat entirely.

Others know it is not possible and act according: https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/01/31/china-includes-cultivated-meat-in-its-plan-for-the-future-of-food

https://www.iatp.org/ipcc-report-reveals-urgency-methane-reduction-need-reduce-industrial-agriculture

Which is absolutely your right. I have become convinced that my mixed diet leads to ultimately less death than a plant-based diet would

Explain that. A plant based diet uses less resources in every way. You don't think there are no animals killed for animal feed which is just a bad conversion of food, do you?

We all have a impact on the environment and on others, but acting worse than we have to because of a nirvana fallacy is not acceptable. While our impact on the future is hard to measure it is today when we decide to support killing and abuse or not.

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