fat-shaming
Good grief, it's literally the first "criticism" out of her mouth.
Okay, I gave it the benefit of the doubt without watching it, but we're not going to platform that shit.
I think there would have to be an actual military buildup to make that stick.
To be clear, I'm more than happy to call them colliquially treasonous...I just don't think elected officials should be throwing the term around too casually.
Yeah, I thought both this and the "youth movement" angle of episode two worked well.
As the cadets start venturing out into fieldwork more, they shouldn't have to make excuses quite so often. They can go find their own trouble, and Discovery will be undergoing a perpetual refit!
I think they're probably fully aware, at least amongst their leadership. They'd already been offered the planet for free, after all.
I think it was about respect, not trickery.
The PD applies to all civilizations, but is more permissive with those that are already capable of FTL travel. When a species is out travelling the galaxy, you can interact and negotiate with them, but you can't directly interfere with their business.
Caleb is leaning hard into the "pre-warp" side of it, as many fans tend to do, which is why he said those particular regulations don't apply. He's just conveniently ignoring the rest of the PD, assuming it's still in force in the 32nd century.
Edit: I'm wrong - I was conflating Caleb's argument and the earlier debate about returning to pre-warp times. Caleb's argument isn't explained, and we funny get to hear what he's saying immediately before.
I think the debate club is exactly the place for the conversation - Vance and Starfleet are following the PD. They've made the offer, been declined, and are...well, not respecting it, but obeying it. The worst you can say about them is that they're being persistent, trying to convince someone in the Klingon leadership structure to change their mind. That may be a little obnoxious, but I don't think it violates any Starfleet principles to give it a shot.
That leaves the cadets to debate whether respecting the Klingons' wishes is a good thing in this case, and I don't think there's any indication that the debate has any weight to it - it's not going to affect Federation foreign policy.
I liked that "good" debaters tended to fall back on Federation law and Starfleet regulations, whereas the message is to continue to treat people with respect to their culture and identity (even if that identity is sometimes muddled).
it’s the obvious solution, and they should have thought of it so much earlier.
I do agree, but (a) Starfleet's pretty out of practice with this stuff, and we saw in the premiere just how black-and-white they became during the Burn, and (b) if it doesn't work out...well, you've got a botched "Vulcan Hello" on your hands, which isn't great.
Respectfully, I think this is a bit of a retcon of the retcon.
"The Wounded" makes it seem like a fairly major conflict - certainly more than just "peacekeeping."
Jay-Den has been a breakout character for me, so I'm looking forward to this one.
And yeah, it'll be good to check in with the Klingons in the 32nd century.
Is there really a credible source on that? I wouldn't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that they change course now.