TheSanSabaSongbird

It wasn't the media at all though; it was fucking Elise Stefanik deliberately interrupting her prior response to hide the fact that her response was the same with regard to student speech vis black people or Israel.

Michelle Goldberg did a great write up of it in the NYT.

But let me correct myself. The news media in general did blow it by not catching on to and calling out what Stefanik did, but it wasn't universal as obviously some of us, including Michelle Goldberg, understood Stefanik's intellectually dishonest fake-out.

That's what they want us to believe, but there are so many giant caveats in the narrative that it's rendered pretty meaningless. The only things the Red Army of WW2 has in common with Russia's current army are the language and a willingness to throw lives into the meat grinder as a tactic in and of itself.

Not for lack of effort on my part.

I named my truck, but "Old Clunky" doesn't exactly jump out as the kind of name you'd want to advertise.

So by your logic it's not OK to criticize the CCP unless one also lists off all the other governments that failed to rise to the occasion? WTF is wrong with you? You are trying way too hard. It's obvious that for whatever reason you can't abide criticism of the CCP.

If they were critical of the US government's response you and I know very well that you would never feel the need to comment about how the CCP also fucked up. You wouldn't because you're poisoned by an ideology that doesn't allow you to see the world from an objective solutions-based perspective. Everything is black and white with you, either in keeping with your cornball little ideology, or not, in which case it's evil.

It's bullshit and people are getting sick of you and people like you. Grow the fuck up.

This place is swarming with idiots. I think it's an age thing. There are a lot of young people on Lemmy and they tend to be very wedded to viewing the world in strictly ideological terms with little nuance and no real appreciation for how complex the real world actually is. As a result, it's almost impossible to be critical of anything without being subjected to pointless and condescending whataboutism.

Why not both? A well-designed poll can be a very useful gauge of public opinion.

I mean, thanks for the good faith effort I guess, but you're still objectively incorrect as a matter of the historical record.

You would have done better to single out the Interstate freeway system as "conservative," since it was created under Eisenhower. But even that is a weak example since it wasn't opposed by liberals at all.

Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive, part of the "progressive era" in US political history. There isn't a way to spin it such that he can accurately be called a conservative. The conservative position on national parks, at least in the west, would be that they should remain open for resource extraction. We see this at play with the recent bullshit surrounding the Bears Ears National Monument de-designation under Trump and the ongoing effort to allow drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Refuge.

You are simply objectively incorrect.

You're the one trotting out a simplistic black and white vision as if anything about any part of history is or can ever be explained in such terms. History is always much more complicated than our ideological biases would like.

There's zero context in your comment. It's just as biased as the meme is. You're blithely glossing over the much larger historical context of WW2 and why the US was there in the first place, and you're eliding the rather obvious fact that a sizable majority of Koreans were opposed to the attempted communist takeover in the first place.

The salient fact about the 2nd half of the 20th century, that is routinely ignored by Lemmy's tankies, is that the men guiding US foreign policy had survived the largest war in human history and were absolutely and legitimately terrified that there would be another even worse war in the very near future if they didn't do everything they could to prevent the kind of runaway imperialism seen in Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

Furthermore, these men knew for a fact --as even Lemmy's tankies will admit-- that communism by design and by doctrine can only come to its final stage in a globally hegemonic system. If you honestly believed, as they clearly did, that fighting a war in Korea --which after all had been liberated from Imperial Japan by the US-- was part of a much larger strategy to contain communism and thereby prevent a 3rd world war, you would feel yourself morally obliged to do it.

We can argue about whether or not they were correct in their beliefs, but we can't simply condemn them as evil imperialists. That's just stupid reductionist bullshit. Reality is always much more complicated than simple black and white "my team good, your team bad."