TheGyattsMustBeCrazy

Yeah, for all the libs' subservience to respectability politics and tone over substance, they can't seem to understand that tone and framing can outweigh actual message when trying to argue their social values. If this generation had even libertarian crap similar to Penn and Teller: Bullshit! a lot more men would be calling other men the r-slur for not supporting abortion and gay/trans rights, which while upsetting is better than them using it to be chuds.

Until the Dems address the different attitudes of black people based on class and faith he will bleed black support. The black people the administration touts like Amanda Gorman, Symone Sanders, Kamala etc. are a world apart from the middle and lower middle class black people in cultural attitudes, concerns, etc. When I seen irl how everyday black people speak to someone black whom they think is high upper middle class, there is so much distance between them it borders on no solidarity. Makes sense, since while most black people have had a relative in jail or have been in jail themselves, this applies to only 1/3 of college educated black people.

Unless you are a black humanities major from a college town a lot of broad brush "inclusivity" stuff falls on deaf ears, and when you finger wag at your base for antisemitism or even LGBTQ+ discrimination it's completely alien and unengaging to the average black American. A lot of black people even lean toward anti-PC attitudes, and there are shows like those on the Zeus Network made by/for middle class black people to mock inner city and poor black people in the same way that white supremacists and "telling it like it is" comedians mock. And that's not to mention the schism between Carribbean/African immigrants and black people descended from American slavery.

Basically, Dems at the top often have an unnuanced view about the black community that literally makes the party come off as more out of touch with that community than some Stonetoss Comics/Groypers. They need to actually honestly look at intracommunal relations and the warts and all of Black Americans and find a galvinizing message. I hate seeing Dems hedge and give into the right wing's framing on DEI/Affirmative Action type programs as "racist handouts" rather than proudly vowing to protect them for black people in a non-condescending way, cementing their necessity but also allowing some to opt out. I hate how white Dems are just looking for the right set of catchphrases to memorize and chide fellow whites for not reciting right, rather than finding rousing and reactionary-triggering comments that shore up support.

Black American groups that don't feel any kinship with one another WILL rally together to support Dems when the party's policy and advocacy are right. Hell, a lot of the anti-woke/anti-PC black people online started fighting fiercely with the crypto racists whom they usually align with, when it was announced that the next Assassins Creed game featured Yasuke--a real black samurai exemplifying welcomed black representation. If this Ubisoft reskinned slop marketing team can figure it out, and the Dems still collapse their black vote percentage this year, then they are losers and suckers just like the troops.

Hope the heat didn't hit Old Delhi, the smelliest most unsanitary place I have ever had to walk through.

Both are leaning into their respective expected picks to gin up their brands, because their personalities are what they sell in this economy

better FBI interception perhaps

I do remember in high school a lot of secular girls went to those youth group meetings to meet guys who wouldn't try to sleep with them. Wonder if participation from those girls has shot down too in light of evangelicals' embrace of Trump, and if that has heightened the bitterness.

It's kind of like my girlfriend's dad too, who keeps talking about how women are emasculating men, refers to gays with the f-slur, but will also shout while watching that Tim Allen show that it is too sexist.

Yeah I don't think the women who have been able to get degrees and PMC careers while remaining conservative Christians, thanks to feminism, are able to fully reconcile the parts of their beliefs that give them meaning with the fact that its overarching philosophy and its outcomes can only serve to protect corrupt men while shaming/blaming their victims. But a lot of these women are also too educated and too aware of their capabilities to ever want to cede the rights they've gained, which is why they call the tradwives of TikTok grifters. They even call the sexist pastors "theobros."

I don't think they consciously do, but subconsciously I think a lot of lib/left men are afraid of wading into that corner of the internet and getting spammed/harassed/written off. Part of that is that such men typically recite talking points and arguments provided by women and sometimes detached from the theory-of-mind of how to frame arguments to be received by misanthropic chud men, so they get written off/steamrolled faster.

I think back to how Stone Cold Steve Austin's very profanity-filled redneck-sounding tirade supporting gay marriage probably moved the needle for its acceptance more than a ton of "Love is Love" stuff at the time that just doesn't hit with some people, even repels them. Most of the men I've seen who boldly push back against misogynistic myths about women "hitting the wall," body counts, men dating down etc. in the lions dens of inceldom/redpill shit are actually evopsych STEMlords like Slate Star Codex. Idk if leftists think we're over that shit or what but we should start doing it again undeterred.

Oddly I saw a lot of women who were retweeting LibsOfTikTok/JK Rowling/racist shit about "dysgenics" on one hand while fiercely bashing conservative influencers for chiding women for not doing housework/"hitting the wall" on the other. I think a lot of the transphobic/anti-Muslim influencers also have cross-partisan appeal with some of the stuff they write, and fear monger on those issues to drive wedges between people who are actually pretty aligned on gender/economic politics. Furthermore some of the most anti-black men/women stuff was being retweeted by conservative black people of the opposite gender.

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I would say that the only difference now is that if a critical amount of men who profess to share evangelical values end up being cultural tourists who just want to mete out abuse and neglect to women, the women who actually want to raise children in a productive household may evolve their views or expand their horizons when looking for a partner.

I remember going on a date with a conservative nurse who was talking about how her ex could not finish during sex because he watched too much porn, and she straight up said "I'm not a feminist or anything, but women to some men are like, basically objects!" I wonder of this abrupt outsized influx of low value uncompromising men might actually steer Christian/conservative women to look elsewhere for companionship, provided the non-trad and more liberal men boldly and sincerely present themselves and their beliefs.

A lot of the simple minded view on dating is that women want men who are coercive or restrictive, when I think most women just want a man with mettle and a backbone about their worldview, and it's just that the archetype of current self-identified liberal male feminists are men who seem pandering/performative about their libertine values, and can't stop tweeting about how slayqueen Kamala Harris looks.

I agree, it was a devil's bargain to bring these people into their fold through astroturfing shit like Fresh N Fit. I also feel like more left leaning equality minded men should be unapologetically espousing their beliefs in their ideal equitable relationship and support for women and not be cowed by fears of being called a simp, which I believe they are because even the best of us have internalized toxic masculinity.