Tachanka

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[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

They'll just do the usual porky-happy retort that obfuscates the entire question by appealing to the abstract social nature of labor. If you're only at one spot on the assembly line and you contribute to a small part of the manufacturing of the commodity, it's a lot harder to measure how many commodities you make a day, since you never really make an entire commodity with your hands the way an artisan would. Someone milks the cow. Someone bottles the milk. Someone screws the cap on. Someone puts the label on. Someone makes the bottle. Obviously it's even more complex than that, but this is a simplified example. If a process of making a commodity is divided into 5 separate jobs, each worker only creates on average 20% of the commodity at a time. So if a given individual in that process does their job 100 times they really only "created" 20 commodities. And at this point the question becomes abstract enough for people to not really know exactly how much they're individually doing for the capitalist and it becomes harder for them to measure whether they're being paid the full value of their work or not. Intuitively of course most people know they aren't, because otherwise profit and hence surplus value/surplus product couldn't exist. And collectively the workers definitely are getting less than they give on average.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

astronaut-1 astronaut-2

Always has been. it's just that instead of being a wage slave in exchange for money they're being a wage slave in exchange for commodities. "payment in kind" I believe it's called

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

it's even weirder than that. Serfs paid a corn rent (a portion of their crop) to the feudal lord and in exchange weren't kicked off the land or tortured or executed. Milei is paying workers in milksteak wages 🤮 and demanding full days of labor in return

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Retvrn to barter society (which was never real, read graeber's debt)

Milei really out here trying to swindle workers with LP-C exchanges

ancaptain "I will trade you 1 smoking-fish for 3 of your best worker" statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I can't even use reddit anymore lol

This is the link right? https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/BIiJCd0X20

using the reddit.com/r/whatever/s/blahblahblah share link (or any "reddit.com" url) just blocks you these days if you're not logged in and using a VPN ip address. Mobile app "features" are intended to datamine as much as possible so if they can't datamine you, you just get blocked. People should use an alternate front end or, if you're logged in, use old.reddit.com and grab the url from the address bar instead of the reddit mobile app (which is garbage and datamines you and whoever clicks your share links). I would switch the url over to "old.reddit.com" but it's not working for me like it usually does because the link is some kind of generated share link instead of the usual thread url that you grab straight from the address bar.

Unless that's the joke or something and I just didn't get it. Anyway, they're an astroturfed fossil fuel think tank subreddit so if they have broken clock syndrome I'm not too impressed. What does the thread say? What's it about?

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

porky-happy "Under Socialism, the potential of highly skilled individuals is limited and they are thrown in gulags for refusing to obey the dictates of a cruel system"

sicko-zoomer porky-point "grrrrrrrr that highly skilled individual is stealing muh intellectual property! Imprison him for life!"

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago

so true bestie

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

Why are you posting Bioshock Infinite screenshots

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

you're definitely closer to correct than I was. it's whatever this number is as a percentage: 0.000000000232830643654 = (or 2.32830643654e-10)

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