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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks. I think my other comment made soon after gave a bit better detail on the laws:

I think the issue lies in the different measures of protected class, and the layers of law between State and Federal. US law is needlessly complicated and full of holes.

The Civil Rights Act provides protections for employees against discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin under Title VII. Title II covers inter-state commerce and protects against discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin - but not sex.

Beyond this, states are supposed to make their own laws. However, the Supreme Court decision in 303 Creative v. Elenis undermines this, as the court ruled that the 1st Amendment and free speech overrules any discrimination law the state makes. Thus, provided you avoid Title II by only doing business within the state, it would be possible to argue that you can discriminate against any protected classes, so long as that class isn’t protected by other Federal legislation (eg the Americans with Disabilities Act provides extensive coverage for those with disabilities).

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

California law is supposed to allow a necessity defense, the fact is they knew the farms were abusing animals (they had undercover people find employment with them and see first hand, which is legal and not trespassing) and they found the same abuse on the day.

You're definitely allowed to break into a car to rescue a baby. You might also be allowed to break into a hot car to save a dog, in which case you should also be allowed to break into a poultry farm to save abused animals.

They didn't deny they broke in, but said there was good reason. The judge refused to allow the reason to be heard, and furthermore refused to file briefs from legal experts. What's more, the prosecutors declined to proceed with the various theft charges, instead opting for a misdemeanor trespassing charge and suping that up with a felony conspiracy charge. Making a felony out of a misdemeanor and not allowing the defense to be heard points to a coordinated attempt targeted solely at the leader of this campaign group.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago

In California, where this happened, it actually does. Did you read the whole article?

DxE had obtained a legal opinion from Hadar Aviram, a professor at UC College of Law, San Francisco, saying that the activists had a valid defense for their actions because California law allows defendants to argue that they were providing aid to suffering animals out of necessity.

Furthermore, motivation is taken into consideration in many other cases across the US. For example, it is acceptable to break into someone's car to save a baby locked inside. It may even be acceptable to break into a car to save a dog. In which case, it should be acceptable to break into a poultry farm to save abused animals.

The judge here refused to even allow this defense to be considered. She also refused to allow an amicus brief from another legal expert. This was all apparently part of a coordinated plan to slip through an overall unjust conviction and put the leader of this campaign group in jail - the local county is heavily in bed with these farms.

So I stand by my assertion, she is a bitch, and furthermore I think she is grossly unprofessional and should be disrobed.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

I feel like framing the issue like this kinda dangerous. If a single entity (in this case, a business) is allowed to discriminate against a protected class, then are all businesses that provide that service allowed to discriminate against said class?

I think the issue lies in the different measures of protected class, and the layers of law between State and Federal. US law is needlessly complicated and full of holes.

The Civil Rights Act provides protections for employees against discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin under Title VII. Title II covers inter-state commerce and protects against discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin - but not sex.

Beyond this, states are supposed to make their own laws. However, the Supreme Court decision in 303 Creative v. Elenis undermines this, as the court ruled that the 1st Amendment and free speech overrules any discrimination law the state makes. Thus, provided you avoid Title II by only doing business within the state, it would be possible to argue that you can discriminate against any protected classes, so long as that class isn't protected by other Federal legislation (eg the Americans with Disabilities Act provides extensive coverage for those with disabilities).

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not really. As far as I'm aware there's nothing in law that differentiates between selling a product and providing a service. However the whole problem here is that the law isn't actually that well fleshed out.

The 14th Amendment gives equal protection under law. This basically says the state can't treat any citizen different for any reason. Thus, a court can't refuse to hear your case because you're black, and a state can't refuse your marriage because you're gay. This only really applies to governments, however.

The Civil Rights Act has various Titles, most of them still relate to the state (eg voting). There are two exceptions where this goes beyond the public sector, though, Title VII on employment and Title II on inter-state commerce. Title II outlaws discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin - but not sex nor sexual orientation, and it only applies to inter-state commerce. Title VII prohibits private employers from discriminating against employees on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, but might not cover sexual orientation (I haven't found a definition on what "sex" covers, orientation might fall under this but it might not).

There is other legislation covering specific aspects, such as the Americans with Disabilities Act which provides extensive protection to people with disabilities.

Beyond that, it is up to individual states to set their laws. However, they must do so within the bounds of the Constitution, which is what allows free speech challenges like the one in the Supreme Court ruling over 303 Creative v. Elenis, which set a clear precedent allowing private businesses to discriminate regardless of state law.

All in all, anti-discrimination laws in the US are actually very weak.

IANAL, feel free to correct me if you know better.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Absolutely. Unfortunately a lot of software still only works on Windows. Particularly in industrial settings.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You can refuse for any reason - except those involving discrimination against a protected class. Sexual orientation is supposed to be a protected class. You can still discriminate, you just have to give another/no reason and make sure it doesn't look like you're doing it for a prohibited reason.

If I wanted to say that no people with glasses were allowed to shop in my store, that would be allowed. If I wanted to say that no pregnant women could shop in my store, that wouldn't be allowed. If it was a pregnant woman wearing glasses, I could claim the first reason, but then, if I was found to be allowing other people with glasses to shop, my reasoning would be challenged and I would have to demonstrate that I wasn't discriminating because of pregnancy.

At least, this is how discrimination laws are supposed to work.

It turns out that anti-discrimination laws in the US are actually very weak and not fully defined, allowing bullshit like this to seep out of judge's mouths and through the cracks. The Equal Protections Clause of the 14th Amendment only grants equality under law, so it only really affects governments. The Civil Rights Act extends this out to private employment under Title VII, but not much further.

What the 303 Creative v. Elenis ruling (the Supreme Court ruling that led to the settlement here) does, in theory, is allow any private person the right to discriminate against any protected class (eg pregnancy, disability, and all the others) so long as the person they're discriminating against isn't an employee. This is clearly bullshit, and I'm sure if people started discriminating against Christians they'd be up in arms.

Thankfully, this settlement does not in any way strengthen this ruling, it only gives one asshole permission by one state - there is no ruling here, just an out of court settlement, thus it does not extend to anyone else. In particular, the state probably thought that because there was no injured party actually being discriminated against there wasn't much point wasting time and money litigating.

Obligatory IANAL.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Even setting up an account that isn't linked to Microsoft is tricky - particularly if it's the first account. You basically have to keep your PC offline throughout the entire setup, and even then as soon as you connect to the internet it'll start changing things.

O&OShutup is an essential piece of software to run, imo. You need to run it regularly also to catch the settings that get reverted with updates.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Your stuff wouldn't disappear if Microsoft didn't keep stealing it and storing it on their servers, insteads of leaving it on your PC where it belongs.

This isn't for your boomer dad, this is for Microsoft. You pay them for software, they steal your data. They're literally worse than Facebook and Google now.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I'd go with A and C there. The whole county is apparently in bed with these massive farms.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 97 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Laura Passaglia, the Sonoma County Superior Court judge who presided over the trial, barred Hsiung from showing most evidence of animal cruelty, depriving him of the ability to show his motives for entering the farms.

What a bitch.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

If posts are made back to back then they can fill up the All communities feed, which is still how many people browse.

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