SpookyGenderCommunist

joined 2 years ago

I'm gonna try and give an actual brief history. The word "Tankie" originated from a split in the Communist party of Great Britain in the 1950s, over the Soviet invasion of Hungary. Those who supported the invasion were called "Tankies" by those who opposed it.

That would've been it, and it would have faded into history as an obscure piece of British leftist slang, if it weren't for the word's rediscovery decades later, where more modern leftists used the term in a half joking way among each other.

At some point over... Really just the past couple of years or so, tankie breached containment, and has been worming its way into non-leftist people's vocabularies, where it's lost any and all connection to its original meaning.

So when, say, OP of this thread uses it, it's unclear what they mean. Do they mean communists in general? Leftists in general? Supporters of China? What does it mean for a white, Western, leftist to 'support' China anyway? Is it just a general term for someone they deem Authoritarian? Or do they mean a specific kind of "Patriotic Socialist" who LARPs as a communist but actually holds deeply reactionary ideas?

It's all very unclear. So I wouldn't take "Tankie discourse" too seriously tbh. It's just a thought terminating cliche at this point. If you want to talk about any of those groups mentioned above... Just be specific and dunk on who you want to dunk on. There's legitimate, good faith, critiques to be made of all of them. Just make them, and be thoughtful about it.

But running around and calling anyone you don't like a Tankie doesn't foster good discussion. Especially when I have to sit down and decipher which one of 6 different possible definitions of "Tankie" someone might be referring to.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The guy in Heaven is Lin Biao, who was elected to succeed Mao in China, and then died in a plane crash under strange circumstances. There's a bunch of conspiracies about it in China, not unlike how Americans have conspiracies about the JFK assassination.

The guy at the bottom is Yvgeny Prigozhin who was head of the Wagner mercenary group that made up much of Russia's best fighters in Ukraine, before he had them turn around and start marching on Moscow, in a half-assed mutiny attempt.

As of today, Prigozhin died in a plane crash, similarly to Lin Biao, in what seems like a pretty obvious assassination.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yo, they fucking Lin Bioa'd him for real

homeless people are tankies actually

George Jackson has entered the chat

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's TayTweets all over again. First as tragedy, then as farce

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Holy shit that's wild! I can't speak to that, but PCUSA always rubbed me the wrong way tbh. I saw segments of that org flirt with patsoc shit, and Caleb Maupin's circle of creeps.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Agreed. Also, I'm especially disheartening by the defederation by pawb.social because I have a lot of respect for Furries as a whole. They've done a phenomenal job of formulating their own online, social and media infrastructure, in ways that I think the left as a whole could really learn from.

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Or if curiosity, On what grounds did they split?

[–] SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Them: "hexbear is a tankie echo chamber"

Hexbear: Federates to specifically not be an echo chamber

Them: "hexbear is federating just to fuck shit up"

Semi related, but that "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" line was so fucking stupid.

You're in Germany Ronald. Gorbachev isn't ba politician in East Germany. It's a different fucking country! The Soviets didn't like the Berlin Wall, but the East Germans did it anyway BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT FUCKING COUNTRY!

I get it, it's just anti-Communist, orientalism that assumes the Communist Hordes of the East are all beholden to their Soviet masters or whatever. But even the United States' puppet regimes went and did their own shit sometimes, so long as it didn't rock the boat too much. How hard is it to give these Warsaw pact countries some agency in your understanding of the world???

Anyway, I'm talking to the liberals in the walls again.

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