Spectrism

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[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

Aufklärung kann nebenbei natürlich nicht schaden, aber deren Wirkmacht ist eben auch begrenzt, insbesondere bei einem Thema mit solch weit verbreiteter kognitiver Dissonanz. Dass die Tierhaltung schlecht für die Umwelt ist, und vor allem natürlich auch schlecht für die Tiere, ist aber ja auch nicht erst seit gestern bekannt. Da jetzt nach all den Jahren klein anzufangen mit Werbeverboten, und das auch nur regional begrenzt, ist für mich kein Zeichen von vorschnellen Verboten.

Die Tiere interessieren sich halt herzlich wenig dafür, zu welchen Standards sie getötet werden, deswegen wäre ich persönlich für ein sofortiges Verbot, aber realistisch betrachtet hast du natürlich Recht, Standards verbessern wären eher mehrheitsfähig und dahingehend sinnvoller.

Wenn dein Kommentar sich auf Verbote im allgemeinen bezog dürften die Vergleiche eigentlich recht passend sein. Im Bezug auf das aktuelle Thema wären die Verbote von Mord und FCKW passender.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Weil Fleischkonsum objektiv scheiße ist, dafür zu werben dementsprechend ebenfalls.

Stellst du diese Frage auch beim Verbot von Asbest? Oder bei Tempolimits innerorts? Manche Dinge gehören halt einfach verboten. Wenn es nach mir ginge würde ich gleich die gesamte Fleischindustrie verbieten, sich jetzt also wegen so einem einfachen Werbeverbot so einzupissen ist schon echt lächerlich.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not liking one choice = liking the other one is peak .world trolling. Where did anyone here simp for Trump?

And for the idiots downvoting: OP literally wrote "every sentence except the last one was entirely true", which means they don't think that Trump is responsible for peace and prosperity. You'd have to be really fucking stupid to think they're "simping for Trump".

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Most of the points you made were about lack of individual freedoms, which I agree is bad, but doesn't come close to actually killing hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people during the past decades like the US did. And why do you keep bringing up Trump? I didn't mention him even once in my comments. I don't care about him, he is a symptom of a much larger issue, not the cause. I'm not just talking about the oppression and killings of people within US borders, but also outside of them, and that's where China doesn't even compare to the US.

If "Trump" and "welfare system" are the only relevant points you got from everything I listed, I'm not sure that I'm the one acting in bad faith. It seems like you purposefully don't even consider all the atrocities of the US outside of their own borders, but why should you, after all they're just some stupid foreigners, right?

Everyone who is even slightly critical of the Western world is a Russian troll, I know. I don't think I'm the one who is acting in bad faith and divorced from reality.

[Addendum]: Something I think you didn't mention yet is the amount of people executed by the Chinese state, even for the simplest "crimes" like possession of drugs. That's about the worst I can think of about China, and it's one aspect that I would actually call a real atrocity that is worse than in the US. But the death penalty shouldn't exist at all, so the US doesn't gain any sympathy points from me in this case either.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Tiananmen Square was not simply a violent escalation of the Chinese state, so not sure if I'd wanna count that, and the "Xianjang Internment camps" still seem like made up bullshit by Adrian Zenz and the likes. But I didn't simply ask what makes China bad, because I'm well aware of that, I asked what makes it worse than the US. Key words here:

Literally every president the US ever had in the past decades

War for almost the entire existence of the country

ICE and their camps

Pretty much daily school shootings and overall gun culture for that matter

Women's rights in the US

Police violence

Horrible healthcare system causing thousands of deaths every year

Increasingly limited LGBTQ rights

War on Drugs

War on Terror

Support of or direct involvement in multiple genocides

Massive surveillance network, not just in the US, but globally

Hundreds of military bases all across the world

Guantanamo Bay

Human rights violations

Preventing people in certain countries from accessing certain much needed medications and extortion of pharmaceutical companies in other countries

Meddling in other countries' political environment and even killing or kidnapping democratically elected heads of states

Creation and funding of terrorist groups and states

Bombing mostly innocent countries to ashes and committing countless war crimes, including the use of nuclear and chemical weapons

I'm probably still missing things...


China overall has bad track record when it comes to everything related to all kinds of individual freedoms, but considering that the US is actually deliberately killing and torturing people to no end (at least on a much, much larger scale than China), I'd say that they are way worse than China. And again, this is no excuse for China, I just think they don't match the cruelty of the American empire.

[–] Spectrism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

What exactly makes China worse than the US?