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[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Hey, this is Presh Talwalkar

Person who has forgotten about The Distributive Law and lied about 1917.

Discussion of a brief history of this viral math problem

Including lying about 1917

Ultimately followed by brief discussion on the order of operations

But forgets about Terms and The Distributive Law.

And that’s the answer

Now watch his other ones, where he screws it up royally. Dude has no idea how to handle brackets. Should be avoided at all costs.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

There’s no “whatever-the-fuck-your-country-calls-it”

Yes there is. BEDMAS, BODMAS, and BIDMAS

the US is the only country using it

No they're not.

at some point they’re dropping it

No, at no point do the order of operations rules ever get dropped

using multiplication by juxtaposition (2x + 4x2)

They're called Terms/Products.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

Where I live, this would be considered juxtaposition

Not just where you live, everywhere, in Maths textbooks. Adults forgetting the rules (and unqualified U.S. teachers not teaching what's in the textbooks) is another matter altogether.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago

For me it’s the arguments when there is a parentheses but no operator (otherwise known as implied multiplication)

No, it's known as Factorised Terms/Products, solved via The Distributive Law, a(b+c)=(ab+ac). "implied multiplication" is a made up rule by people who have forgotten the actual rules, and often they get it wrong (because, having wrongly called it "multiplication", they then wrongly give it the precedence of multiplication, not brackets).

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You understand that gen x starts around 1965, right?

10 years earlier than that actually. Johnny Rotten, Billy Idol, etc. The U.S. came late to the party and started using their own definition.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This kind of problem falls under “communicating badly and acting smug when misunderstood”.

No it doesn't. It falls under adults forgetting the rules of Maths.

Use parenthesis and the problem goes away

There is no problem, other than adults who have forgotten the rules.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

You might be smart

Smart-arse more like. A serial troll who doesn't actually know what they're talking about.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And that’s why people don’t write equations like that

Says someone who clearly hasn't looked in any Maths textbooks

If you wrote 6 + 4 / 2 in a paper you’d get reviewers complaining that it’s ambiguous

Only if their Maths was very poor. #MathsIsNeverAmbiguous

Working mathematicians never came up with PEMDAS

Yes they did.

which disambiguates it without parenthesis

It was never ambiguous to begin with.

Noone else does it that way

Says someone who has never looked in a non-U.S. Maths textbooks - BIDMAS, BODMAS, BEDMAS, all textbooks have one variation or another.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (12 children)

6 + 4 / 2 is 8 instead of 5?

The fundamental property of Maths that you have to solve binary operators before unary operators or you end up with wrong answers.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

Maths is not about memorisation

It is for ROTE learners.

You are not supposed to remember that the area of a triangle is a * h / 2

Yes you are. A lot of students get the wrong answer when they forget the half.

you’re supposed to understand why it’s the case

Constructivist learners can do so, ROTE learners it doesn't matter. As long as they all know how to do Maths it doesn't matter if they understand it or not.

You’re supposed to be able to show that any triangle that can possibly exist is half the area of the rectangle it’s stuck in

No they're not.

If you’ve understood that once, there is no reason to remember anything because you can derive the formula at a moment’s notice.

And if you haven't understood it then there is a reason to remember it.

you can derive the formula at a moment’s notice

Students aren't expected to be able to do that.

All maths can be understood and derived like that

It can be by Constructivist learners, not ROTE learners.

The names of the colours, their ordering, the names of the planets and how they’re ordered, they’re arbitrary

No they're not. Colours are in spectrum order, the planets are in order from the sun.

Maths doesn’t, instead it dies when you apply memorisation

A very substantial chunk of the population does just fine with having memorised Maths.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

What’s lazy about learning PEMDAS?

Nothing. Only people who don't know what they're talking about say that.

[–] SmartmanApps@programming.dev -1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

they aren’t teaching math.

Yes we are. Adults forgetting it is another matter altogether.

There’s no such thing as “order of operations” in math

Yes there is! 😂

Do you think I’m wrong?

No, I know you're wrong.

If so, why?

If you don't solve binary operators before unary operators you get wrong answers. 2+3x4=14, not 20. 3x4=3+3+3+3 by definition

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