Sinnerman

I mean, he's anti- Twitter and Reddit, and pro- Kbin and Lemmy so his take isn't that bad...

I think he underestimates the readiness of Kbin and Lemmy, though. Sure, they're rough around the edges, they're not full-featured reddit clones, but we can (mostly!) talk to one another and there's a lot of excitement about being on the frontier, instead of just another pre-packaged marketing-focused software appliance. We're doing OK, and we'll only get better!

Like, what was the difference between MadeMeSmile, DamnThatsInteresting, NextFuckingLevel? Just all the same clickbait trash, and then, as you say, some “organic” marketing campaign for the latest Marvel movie.

@asteroidrainfall @bttoddx I think these two were related. I believe most of those UnexpectedInterestingSmile reposts were made by bot or semi-bot accounts, which were then used to upvote the marketing posts, and this worked because the front-page algorithm promoted things that high-karma accounts upvoted.

So the question is: will a combination of server policies and user actions counteract the effect of advertisement bots?

As you say, part of the answer relates to transparency in front-page algorithms and in up/down votes. Reddit avoids transparency because Reddit is pro-advertiser. Another part relates to user standards. The example you give from Raspberry_pi on Mastodon bodes well. And even on Reddit, I saw users call out "comment-stealing bots" which reposted human-authored comments for karma.

So the future issue will be: will the companies and advertisers try to engage in more genuine ways or will they just find ways to circumvent the transparency and user standards? And if so, how will the community adjust?

I think we should be discussing and commenting on what we think is most important about this space.

One of the biggest tensions is going to be that as a community grows, it's going to attract the attention of (a) advertisers who will develop "organic marketing" campaigns, (b) political messaging campaigners for international as well as domestic concerns, and (c) "influencers" who want to market their brands. Each of these will use high-engagement ragebait and awwThatsAmazing-type posts. Reddit's r/all was full of these.

Kbin and lemmy seem nice and refreshing because a lot of those posts don't exist here yet. But if we continue to grow, they will show up. How will we handle this?

On linux systems, the "bin" directory contains a large number of scripts and programs.

Sincerely,
Binnerman.

I suppose you could also make an alt account, or even on your main, simply unsubscribe from every magazine like m/memes, or m/starwars, etc. By curating your experience, you can tailor it more to your liking.

Wait, doesn't everybody do this? Currently, my lemmy account is my "meme" account and this, my kbin account, is my "discussion" account where I try to respond more thoughtfully to things. (but I do more "subscribing" than "unsubscribing")

Thanks for the info, @frasassi! It's fascinating to see this develop, wish I had more dev ops skills to contribute!

Like what is .ml?

It's the top level domain of the nation of Mali. But in this case, I've seen it referred to as an abbreviation for "Marxist-Leninist" because those Lemmy admins are Communists.

I mean... forbidding any discussion of unpopular actions taken by Russia is pretty much an example of promoting their own views.

He's not even rich AF. I mean, he's definitely richer than I am, but he's not Bezos-level rich. He sold out his one good creation, had thousands of people doing millions of dollars of free work for him, is a tech CEO, and betrayed the people who believed in him, just to become moderately wealthy. Sad!

Hey, thanks for the tip. If I click on one of the links, and go to, for example:
https://kbin.social/m/aiapps@lemmy.intai.tech

But it says "404 Not Found" what does that mean? Is it just lag, or are we defederated from them, or ...?

Yeah, when I was looking for a post-redit home I checked out beehaw.

Strike 1: no downvotes

Strike 2: application period to create an account

Strike 3: I read the beehaw mod's "philosophy" posts and I got the general idea of what they were saying, but they just sounded a little... odd. Like they were thinking things through and were going around in circles without really getting anywhere. By contrast, the tildes.net philosophy posts seemed well-thought-out and very readable.

Agreed. The article describes a criminal trial, but I believe once that's over the victimized couple can sue in civil court, for compensation (not jail time.)