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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Even the "left-wing" of the 2016-2020 period was literally just "Hmm, what if we combined both capitalism and socialism in a big pot to get the best of both!" It was that level of just having absolutely no fucking clue about anything in politics, political theory, economics, etc, you just wanted free healthcare and reasonable rent/housing prices.

It must be very strange having a reasonably large section of Lemmy (by posting power if nothing else) that explicitly rejects the entire capitalist neoliberal paradigm and way of thinking which is the only thing that they've been exposed to in their entire lives, aside from the spooky bedtime stories that the government has told them about the USSR or China hiding in their closet, ready to pounce out and eat them. If you're exposed to an entirely different system of thinking and are unable to even really comprehend it because you refuse to read, then what else are you meant to do other than accusing them of trolling, or of simply being Evil People?

The best you can do is use the talismans that the government and media have bestowed upon you, the good old "But human nature..." charm, the "Works on paper, doesn't in practice" amulet, and the "100 trillion dead in gulags" enchanted ring. You don't even really know why you're saying this stuff, it's just an automatic response programmed into you, and receiving an effortpost in response which debunks those things just leads you to spew out more talismanic responses. You're a defender of an ideology that you aren't even aware that you have, so when somebody comes at you with a different ideology, all you can do is just say shit like "Oh, yeah, those people over there are horrific genocide apologists. Yeah, they aren't even really trans, it's just a whole site that's trolling the rest of lemmy. They're so idiotic that they can't even see that competition and markets and democracy (as we conceive it) obviously get the best results - don't they know that the USSR's fall totally demolishes the argument of central planning? Just don't even engage with them."

all the while, we're over here debating the finer points of Chinese economic policy in the Deng era and how it compares to the USSR under Lenin and Stalin; the foundations of neoclassical economics and the people who invented the idea of austerity; various obscure countries and conflicts around the world; and, well, having struggle sessions about sillier things too.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The case will only have relevance if/when the Palestinians and regional Islamic Resistance emerge completely victorious.

I expect it's going to not do anything and further expose the sham that are global institutions. The case won't be remembered for how it achieved justice for the Palestinians, because it very obviously won't - it'll be remembered by future politicians and historians and contrasted with how those institutions failed to stop Israel, but armed conflict did bring the Zionists down, and thus the lessons will be clear: ditch the institutions and prepare for conflict against the United States and its proxies. The UN will be remembered by people a century from now as being no more effective than the League of Nations, it just lasted longer under the pressure of the American empire.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Hell yeah. Meddling in democracy is good when it supports socialism, or at least counters fascism, and is bad when it does the opposite. Strongly hoping that Xi is meddling in as many democracies as he can this year.

(2017 SeventyTwoTrillion would have freaked out at that statement and how I wasn't in favour of democracy and would have called me "politically illiterate", but now with more than a dozen books under my belt, I can safely say that the whole "democracy vs autocracy" debate is like watching the shadows on the wall of Plato's Cave while the actual class war is going on outside, unbothered by such concepts)

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I think that violence in the West Bank might be the "best" one given that outside of certain places like Jenin, they've done nothing to "deserve" it (whereas they'd say that Gaza has), but you're ultimately arguing with a group of people who see the Palestinians as lower than insects, so for all the dunking you do on their ideology in terms of war crimes and genocide, it won't change their minds, they'll just disengage and then come back a couple hours later with another article describing what happened on October 7th and say "So, oh holy defender of Palestinians (or whatever slur the Israelis have for them), you think THIS is fine then?! A thousand decapitated babies that were at a Rave For Peace For Babies!?" and you'll go back to arguing about that.

So basically, don't debate fascists, unless you write the word "DEBATE" across a baseball bat and "engage in a thoughtful discussion" with them with it

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

real early 19th century hours, who up

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

Thinking quickly, Hamas constructs an anti-tank bomb, using only some unshakeable will, training, and an anti-tank bomb

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Obviously the article is bad

...oh. I thought both articles were pretty good, even if they're not especially Marxist. I thought there was lots of good info and stats in there at leat.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 60 points 2 years ago (14 children)

tag yourself, I'm an open Stalin and Mao apologist

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

There's some part of my brain that just kinda refuses to believe he's gone. It's like grieving but without any of the negative emotions (positive, even). Watching a person flip from the "active participant in events" column to the "historical figure" column just feels... strange. He can do nothing more. Others will continue his legacy, but he, the gore-coated tyrant of the periphery, is gone.

It's actually just like Prigozhin. I keep subconsciously expecting him to make a statement about how the Russian military is a worthless sack of shit, any day now. It's gonna feel really surreal when significant numbers of these people who just never fucking seem to go away and die eventually do end up dying. When Biden or Trump finally kick the bucket, it will feel bizarre. It feels like Trump has been the main character of America for the last 8 years. If he's re-elected this year, it will literally be the Hero's Journey. How could he possibly ever die? The protagonist rarely dies inside stories.

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Investment falls in almost a third of mainland China" = "Investment grew in over two thirds of mainland China"

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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When Xi assumed leadership of China, he declared that inequality could not be allowed to increase further. Inequality is perhaps the major Kryptonite factor of the American economy which China wasted no time in matching as the economy roared with market reforms. While still problematic, inequality, as measured by the Gini coefficient, has steadily fallen since 2010 largely as a result of massive investment in urbanization, pushing people into cities and pushing cities up the tiering ladder. Today, it would not be strange to consider Chengdu, Chongqing and Hanzhou first-tier cities and peers of Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and Shenzhen. Tier-two cities like Xiamen, Kunming and Suzhou are often considered more livable and trendy in their own quirky ways. Dark-horse cities like Hefei and Ningbo have exploded out of nowhere to become rising tier-two stars. With the installation of high speed rail, tier-three cities like Dali, Lishui and Zibo compete to become the next “it” tourist destination. China also poured resources into stamping out last-mile poverty. While most poverty alleviation in China was through economic growth, recalcitrant extremely poverty could only be eradicated by concentrated marshaling of resources, from relocating entire villages to weekly visits by social workers.

In 2015, journalist Chai Jing produced the documentary Under the Dome and released it online. The documentary, in the style of Al Gore’s Inconvenient Truth, was a polemic against China’s ghastly air pollution. The impact was seismic. Fortunately for the rest of China, Beijing’s geography, a basin surrounded by mountains, is notorious for trapping smog. Out of sight, out of mind was never going to work – senior leadership got to enjoy some of the most polluted air in China. Since peaking in 2012, air pollution in Beijing has been cut by over 60%, with Shanghai falling over 50%. China, which used to dominate the list of most polluted cities, now only claims one spot in the top 20. None of this came cheap, from installing scrubbers in smoke stacks to increasing renewables to moving heavy industry to strict emissions regulations for cars.

During the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, economic planners theorized that ideological fervor could substitute for material inputs like labor and capital. It worked better in theory. In recent decades, as ideology took a back seat to economic growth, long-brewing problems became existential. Before Hu Jintao handed the reins to Xi, Hu warned delegates to the 18th Party Congress in 2012 that “[corruption] could prove fatal to the party… and [cause] the fall of the state.” The popular opinion in the West is that Xi ended China’s highly successful reform era because of an ideological bent. This is off the mark. Xi was brought in to clean house as the wheels were coming off from excesses of the reform era. Throughout Xi’s decade in office, there has been no letup in his anti-corruption campaign. In 2022, a record 638,000 officials were punished for corruption. While there haven’t been any large scale ideological appeals to the public, it’s a different story within the 98-million-member party. During this time, free market capitalism and liberal democracies also faced their own existential tests. Success or failure going forward will depend on whether liberal institutions remain intact in the West and whether party discipline can be maintained in China.

What the PRC has had since 1949 is a governing party with the political autonomy to play mad scientist. In comic book world, whenever mad scientists try to create the ultimate superhero, things tend to go awry. Deadpool isn’t exactly what his creators had in mind. Serpentor turned out to be a bust. The only success, which we attribute to wartime propaganda, appears to the be Captain America. Of course we live in the real world, not a comic-book world. The question in the real world has always been whether the economy can be engineered by mad scientists from the top down or is it best left to the invisible hand of the market? The conventional wisdom on this has been problematic. The standard economic opinion – against all evidence – is that China was economically stagnant before Deng’s market reforms. The thinking on this for the American economys is undergoing a transformation in egghead land – just how has neoliberal economics benefitted the American people over the past few decades?

In a Q&A exchange at a conference in Malaysia, Eric Li, the barbed-tongued venture capitalist, was asked, “Do you think top-down directives are sustainable in the long run?” To which he replied, “It’s the only thing that’s sustainable.… That’s why America is failing today.” After World War II, Li said, the Americans “lost the ability to do top-down design.”

[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Time once again to make superhero of China economy

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China’s economy is currently on the operating table, hunched over by surgeons, chest cavity splayed open, hooked up to a cardiopulmonary machine, surrounded by nurses staring at monitors flashing vital signs. It all looks rather grim. This surgery, however, is not an emergency bypass. That would be too easy. China has had many of those already – stimulus packages, grand infrastructure projects and many rounds of directed lending. Every two decades or so, going all the way back to the founding of the PRC in 1949, the surgeons get ambitious. These guys are mad scientists attempting a comic book trope – to create the ultimate superhero. They want to inject super serum, replace skeletal calcium with adamantium and dose the patient with gamma rays, giving China the powers of shazams out the wazoo.

Deng Xiaoping’s agricultural reforms, privatization and special economic zones of the early 1980s kicked off 20 years of market driven growth. In the late 1990s, Premier Zhu Rongji performed surgery at least as invasive as what is currently being attempted. Zhu’s reforms broke the “iron rice bowl,” laying off 27 million workers from state owned enterprises. This paved the way for another 20 years of growth.

In the lamented “pre-reform” era, China’s mad scientists engineered spectacular growth by increasing investment from a prewar 6% of GDP to 20% in the first Five-Year Plan, covering 1952-1957. This led industrial output to register a compound annual growth rate. The Great Leap Forward accelerated this growth to 66% in 1958 and 39% in 1959 before crashing and burning in 1961 when mismanagement of communal farms and “backyard blast furnaces” caught up with the mad scientists. Course correction starting in 1962 recovered all lost ground by 1965. According to economist Cheng Chu-Yuan, China’s GDP growth averaged 11% between 1952 and 1966, the eve of the Cultural Revolution. (T. C. Liu of Cornell and K. C. Yeh of the Rand Corporation have a lower estimate: 8%.) More importantly, China built a full kit of infrastructure, machinery and equipment capable of driving future industrialization. Mao Zedong threw a wrench into China’s economy during the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976). But through the chaos, as the mad scientists attempted to substitute ideological inputs for material ones, China was still able to achieve GDP growth averaging 5.2%.

Many analysts have a tabula rasa understanding of China’s reform era, as if there had been no economy before Deng Xiaoping. In reality, China’s industrialization started right after the formation of the PRC with some of the fastest growth recorded in the 1950’s and 1960’s. Even during the “low growth” Cultural Revolution, resources directed towards public health (for example, barefoot doctors) and primary education doubled life expectancy and quadrupled adult literacy by 1980 from pre-PRC levels. The mad scientists are now at it again. They have about twenty years of new data not just on China but from the rest of the world. When Zhu Rongji was head surgeon, history had ended and markets reigned supreme. This time around, the surgeons are correcting for market irrationality and negative externalities. The next twenty years is again being determined on the operating table. Three years ago, the surgeons pried open China’s chest cavity with the three red lines credit limits, instantly seizing the speculation driven property sector. Since then, they ripped out unnecessary organs like education companies, clamped the Ant Financial artery and eviscerated the video game industry.

All of this has caused spasms in vital signs from lackluster growth to rising youth unemployment. Wondering whether China will or will not stimulate the economy next quarter or next year is missing the forest from the trees. For the next few years, China’s economy will still be under the knife and whatever adjustments will merely be anesthesiologists and technicians nominally dialing the drugs up and down and adjusting the heart-lung machine to maintain vital signs. What are these mad scientists trying to achieve? We believe President Xi Jinping’s 2020 target of doubling China’s GDP by 2035 stands. That is an average growth rate of 4.7% for 15 years. But beyond just a numerical target, it is important to figure out what superpowers China is trying to acquire. And just as importantly, what Kryptonite factors China is attempting to inoculate itself against. China wants America’s Silicon Valley, but regulated; Japan’s car companies, but electrified; Germany’s Mittelstand, but scalable; and Korea’s chaebol conglomerates, but without political capture. It wants to lead the world in science and technology, but without cram schools. A thriving economy, but with common prosperity. Industry, without air pollution. Digital lifestyle, without gaming addiction. Material plenty, without hedonism. Modernity, without its ills. This is, of course, a wish-list and unrealistically ambitious. But these mad scientists sure as hell are going to try. They’ve developed a taste for it.

In college, early into the semester, we went through a ritual called course exchange. Students gathered in an auditorium to swap classes after sampling lectures for three weeks – satisfaction was not guaranteed. The strategy passed down to underclassmen applied to both course exchange and significant others: “Add before you drop.” China is undergoing – but perhaps botching – the same process with a more party-esque slogan, “Establish the new before abolishing the old.” The surgeons have been on a tear gutting the old. The big kahuna is, of course, the property sector. But right behind are platform monopolies, private education, financial services and video games. The new has been playing catch-up, with 5G equipment, electric vehicles, photovoltaics and wind turbines being leading examples.

From all appearances, the Industrial Party is in ascendance and China will double down on climbing the manufacturing value chain. The Industrial Party is a political identity that believes industry, science and technology should determine China’s future. Adherents believe that China’s strength lie in the technical skills of her population and thus favor hard-science, high-tech industries as opposed to services and business model innovations. Therefore, Chinese politicians, whatever their predisposition, must find a way to create space for this next generation of scientists and technicians to develop themselves. They cannot be confined to a production line at a Foxconn plant. Maintaining social stability means finding a use for future scientists and technicians, which means pursuing industrialization. Is there any other way? The key variable for determining the course of China’s future development is thus the massive number of talented technical and scientific workers. If mistakes were made, it would have been in sequencing and in faith – dropping before adding is a poor strategy in both love and course exchange. China’s mad scientists may have been too confident that electric vehicles and renewable energy would be followed quickly by semiconductors, pharmaceuticals and commercial aircraft.

Perhaps they have reason to be confident. Planning for this surgery has been in the works since 2015 with the Made in China 2025 project. China has been steadily eroding imports of high value added intermediary goods like batteries, precision parts and electrical components, flipping trade with South Korea from deficit to surplus. This has caused much analyst hand wringing over the feasibility of sustained growth, given China’s economic imbalances. Surely countries like South Korea will not take this lying down. China, they say, accounts for 18% of global GDP but only 13% of consumption and a massive 32% of the world’s investment. Continued growth at 4.7% will surely swamp the world with manufactured goods as China’s imbalances, through trade, become an ever larger distortion of the global economy.

This is erroneous. China never properly transitioned from its Soviet era Material Product System (MPS) of national accounts to the United Nation’s System of National Accounts (UNSNA) standard, leaving out much of services from reported GDP. We calculate that China accounts for 22-24% of global GDP and 20-23% of global consumption. We also calculate that household consumption is 50-55% of China’s GDP, in line with global averages. China should easily be able to grow at 4.7% through 2035 with only a modest increase in consumption’s GDP share (5 percentage points over 10 years) without upsetting global economic balances. In the reform period prior to Xi, everything was sacrificed at the altar of economic growth. In the new era, growth has been walked down from 9.6% in 2011 to an average of 4.7% in the Covid years (2020-2023) as an increasing litany of issues were given precedence. Debt however, soared over this time from 175% of GDP to over 300%. What exactly did all that debt buy?

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