Senal

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[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

Fair enough, came in a bit hot there, my bad.

I'd argue that it not being a legal threat doesn't matter too much in this case because they aren't looking for legal control, so much as "effective" control.

If they can stop you without needing for it to be signed in to law, then they'll take that, if they can get a law as well, then I'm sure they'll take that too.

Don’t get me wrong- its not that I don’t care about censorship, its that I don’t really view this as censorship because the consumption and purchasing of the “censored” product is still completely possible. Contrarily, if this were signed into law I would have a big fucking problem with it.

Censorship isn't a binary, but we can agree to disagree on that one i suppose.

To this part though

purchasing of the “censored” product is still completely possible

Not really, there are numerous titles available exclusively on itch.io and steam, those are effectively censored by your rationale as you can no longer purchase them at all.

Honestly steam gift cards don't work at all here because it's not a ban on buying the games using a card, it's a ban on steam listing the titles at all, on threat of losing the payment services.

Crypto cash and gift-cards are great if you have effective access to them.

  • Crypto is out for most people for obvious reasons (technical knowledge, dearth of places that actually accept crypto)
  • Cash works until it doesn't and governments and big tech are trying their hardest to make it as difficult as possible, there is a big push to go cashless.

It's not that people find cash less convenient because they are lazy (some are i suppose), it's because it's being purposely deprecated as much as possible, or just straight up doesn't apply to the paradigm, such as online purchases.

The reason I brought this up is because I have seen it proposed that this issue will expand beyond the scope of digital marketplaces, which I find downright laughable.

As i said, this already happens, it's weird in how it's applied tbh, but that's neither here nor there.

https://www.adyen.com/legal/list-restricted-prohibited

Mastercard just says : "brand-damaging Transactions" and doesn't elaborate, at a quick glance.

A good example of this is casino's and other gambling related physical locations, there are a lot of hoops to jump through to get a payment processor to work with gambling, assuming they even give you the time of day.

People WILL stop using visa cards if you can’t use it to buy condoms and there’s an ATM in the gas station.

Sure for that specific thing, hard to pay cash at amazon or other online only retailers.

I firmly believe that if this issue is pressed further, at the very least Valve will js stop accepting payment directly through payment processors.

That i'd be interested to see tbh, because as i said there isn't an equally available alternative to card payment processors (and it's not even close).

If they did go crypto only for instance, there'd be a big move to crypto for some, but that'd be a significant loss to take on principle alone.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 5 days ago

I'd tentatively say, casually available heroin, morphine and laudanum/opium.

It obviously caused problems and pushed the market underground but it seems to have worked out.

I'm not aware of any studies in to this though, so it's only conjecture/guesswork.

I'll also clearly state I'm not putting them on the same level as this current dystopian bullshittery.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I do not believe “what they define as NSFW will expand!”

And that's the core of your problem, puritan activists don't generally have the capacity to think "actually, the thing i wanted other people to not be able to see is gone, i think I'll leave it there" because the censorship isn't the goal, the goal is control.

It's even worse with organised puritans , because even if a few hang it up you'll always find a few willing to just go a little further or have differing opinions on what is "acceptable".

I would lay good money on this not actually being as far as they originally wanted, it was just what they could get for now.

I don’t understand why people are bitching that the companies that they choose to use have so much power over their purchasing decisions. “First this, next sex toys! Then contraceptives!” Like Jesus fuck bro have you not heard of cash?

Firstly, it's the payment processors, you know the monopoly of companies that you need to take payments from regular people.

Secondly, payment processors can and will stop providing payment services for shops that carry physical goods they deem unacceptable.

(yes crypto exists, no it's not equivalent yet) (yes steam cards exist, no it's not equivalent and unless i've missed something itch.io doesn't have an card system)

As far as cash goes, is there a new slot where you can put the cash monies directly in to the pc/console and it credits your account ?

Or do you mean, go to the store and buy a physical copy of the hundreds of thousands of games that don't have physical editions ?

[–] Senal@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

Aside from the existing deficit due to hundreds of years of systemic discrimination you mean?

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hah, i like how you did the thing they just mentioned, in the first sentence no less and then for the entire rest of the reply.

Classic trolling, 5 stars, no notes.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 7 points 1 week ago

Are you sure you want to use "Publicly stated positions and intentions" as a metric to defend trump ?

i mean, you could, it just seems like you might not have thought that all the way through.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

for a long time, hotmail (and i think windows live mail) only checked the first 16 characters.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not that i disagree with you, but coherence is one of those things that highly subjective and context dependent.

A non-science inclined person reading most scientific papers would think they were incoherent.

Not because they couldn't be written in a way more comprehensible to the non-science person, but because that's not the target audience.

The audience that is targeted will have a lot of the same shared context/knowledge and thus would be able to decipher the content.

It could well be that he's talking using context, knowledge and language/phrasing that's not in the normal lexicon.

I don't think that's what's happening here, but it's not impossible.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In fairness the msdn documentation is prone to this also.

By "this" I mean having what looks like a comprehensive section about the thing you want but the actual information you need isn't there, but you need to read the whole thing to find out.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I agree but I'd also add that this doesn't automatically make them bad people, just people who aren't' compatible with you.

I'm not defending them, It's entirely possible they are bad people, but it's not a given.

What i mean by this is that it's not necessarily because of some flaw with you or them, it can just be that you don't match up right now(or ever).

I think it's important to understand that sometimes the only way to find out if you match is to try it and see, it sucks when it doesn't work out but the alternative is never really finding out if it could.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If you'll notice I mention the biggest offenders and/or the the underlying management infrastructure.

Private jet owners getting systematically luigi'd would also fall under that remit, I was just using data centres as an example.

Oil rigs, Nestlé, blackrock etc would also all work , with varying degrees of efficacy and difficulty.

To address your argument directly, before you get all preachy think of the actual consequences of major data centres going down, all the critical infrastructure running on said data centres would also go down.

That's air traffic control, shipping and logistics ,and yes, agriculture; any system relying on cloud services running in those data centres

If you pick the right ones and do it properly (a competently executed strategy, if you will) then you could cripple most industries, with all the consequences that brings.

[–] Senal@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago

Just to be clear you are saying you didn't provide a claim of truth with no supporting argument because, and I quote

what i said were all truth claims.

no argument at all is needed.

I know you aren't going to understand how your reply doesn't make sense but if in the future you come back to this , this kind of thing is what people call mental gymnastics.

It kinda feels like punching down at this point so I'll leave you be.

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