Roundcat

I just go back for my splatoon sub to lurk, but considering how awful splatfest has been recently, I think I'm done anyway.

I have no kids. Where's my all of that?

Orcas: *deep breathing

This is the kind of article I needed to read, thanks for posting.

If I didn't need it for work. I would delete it off my computer. Suck that I'm actually trapped into using it.

good observation

Violet is a color
Rose is a flower
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Underestimate my power!!

Does that mean we're getting thread posting soon?

Gotcha. I don't want to get you in trouble, so no need to say anymore if you don't want.

I used to be very patriotic myself, but America's invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq began to change that for me. I was told it was to defend our way of life, and to bring democracy and freedom to a hostile land. The reality was we were in there for territorial control, to support Saudi-Arabia's regime, for Oil and other resources, and to support an overgrown military industrial complex that demands that we remain in conflict to justify its existence. I went from believing America was the best country in the world to being disillusioned.

I don't know much about you, but I can kinda understand that love for one's country. It's where you were born afterall, where your family and friends are, and it's the cultural background you call home. That's what I still love about my country, and even my region of the US despite everything. I have lived in Japan for the last 7 years, but I will still always see the American south as my home, and I will always have a fondness for it.

I kinda see loving ones country as being a parent. Like a child, you want the best for your country, but you don't want it to go down a bad path, get in trouble, or do something regrettable. My country has done a lot unfortunately, but that's why I'm critical of it. I want my country to do better. Believe it or not, I actually like Russia a lot too. It's culture and food is very interesting to me, and most Russians I have met have been very friendly. This is part of the reason this war in Ukraine has been very excruciating to me. I hate seeing what Russia is doing to Ukraine, yet at the same time, I hate what is happening to the Russians as well. Many of them don't want to fight. Many of them have fled the country or gone into hiding, and many who were not so lucky are dying in Ukraine. I'm relieved you don't want to fight there, but I don't want you too be arrested either. I just hope you stay safe.

I assuming you mean the post was written from a right wing perspective correct?(that's what I got from your post at least)

I think it's written more from a well meaning liberal perspective. Probably doesn't understand the labels they're using, or at the very least oversimplifying people so that they crunch into the parameters they have created.

A They probably do mean tanky, and I myself have made this association in error. After all "Tanky" in the way it is used now is not as well known as the word communist, and many people who are tankies do describe themselves as communists.

B I've met people like these myself. One of my friends was in this camp until recently. Many of these people still look at Ukraine as it was pre Maidan, and don't realize the majority of people within the country don't support the fascist elements within. Plus there is Russian prop specifically aimed at hitting antifascists. They sold the initial invasion as a "denazification". If you are just listening to the words spoken by the leaders, and not seeing the atrocities the Russians are committing in Ukraine, I can see how one could fall for it.

C Describes a lot of the people in my part of the US actually, though, not all of them support Russia fighting in Ukraine. Rather they are more of a combination of this and E, where they want to get back to admiring Russia without dealing with the cognitive dissonance of Russia committing warcrimes in Ukraine, and also getting their ass handed to them.

D This used to be me until maybe 2014, and God knows where I would be today if I still acted this way. Basically anything that was considered "bad" of "forbidden", I wanted in. The upside is this is what led me into reading the Communist Manifesto, the Quran, and other "forbidden" materials that led me out of my close minded conservatism, but on the otherhand, I also read Mein Kampf, gave the BotD to many fascist and conferderate leaning people, and followed a lot of Russian news uncritically, and even had a Soviet idolization phase of my own. A lot of my mindset at the time was this really weird form of libertarianism combined with unbridled contrarianism.

E I feel this can include a lot of people from any perspective. Leftists who think appose NATO more than Russia's imperialism, Rightist who see the writing on the wall, and think the war should end while Russia is still ahead, to people who associate the increase in costs of living with the war, and simply want it to end no matter what ASAP for their own sake. I feel this could be expanded into several catagories, but then again, everything here is a severe oversimplification.

So are there flaws with this post: absolutely, but I don't think it was written in bad faith.

Why exactly? I'm not here to attack you, just understand, and possibly change your mind if you're willing? I noticed from your previous posts that you speak Russian, so I'm assuming you are Russian correct? I'm more curious your perspective than anything, and what you've been hearing about the war. We can carry this to dms if you're more discussing there.

It's been bizarre some of my interactions with group A and B. I've been active in leftist circles for most of my time on the internet. I definitely get and agree with a lot of the criticisms with the US, NATO, and the EU, but I don't get how so many people think the Russian or Chinese government are any more righteous, especially considering the human rights violations and encroachments on sovereignty we've seen from both countries. Not just in their past either, but within the last decade!

The situation kinda feels like how Japan justified its imperialism to the outside world during the Invasion of China, South Asia, and the Pacific. Their official stance was they were aiming to rid Asia of Western imperialism and replace it with a sphere of co-prosperity, Despite this message however, they were absolutely brutal to the lands they occupied. The murdered and raped indiscriminately, and those they kept alive they enslaved and worked to death in brutal conditions. No sane person today who knows the extent of their harm would ever defend them as a power, even if their supposed message was "anti-imperialism."

You can oppose western imperialism, US hegemony, and capitalism without siding with other imperialists, fascists, and psuedo-communists. The actions of a country should speak for them, not the messages their propaganda tries to make you believe. Considering what I know from Russia's Soviet legacy with Eastern Europe, the actions they took against Chechnya and Georgia, their local treatment of dissidents, the brutal persecution of queer people that makes Florida look tame, the war crimes and human rights violations committed in Syria and Africa by Wagner, and the bombing, killing, raping, and kidnapping of civilians in Ukraine. I don't see how anyone could defend them or their actions. I know the US is guilty most of it through out its history too, but you shouldn't oppose a monster by supporting another monster.