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Nah, I just don't think any law that purports to be pro-trans necessarily is a good idea. Sometimes laws can be written poorly and not take into consideration how fascists could use it to hurt people. Have you read the law? Newsom's response? Can you tell describe to me how it helps and how it definitely won't backfire?

You're the newsom/dem supporter; you tell me. How does vetoing a bill that was largely supported by its constituency protect trans kids? Is even this limited bourgeois democracy too much for you? Seems authoritarian to me. Also, how does this track with this statement at the end here.

Socialist organizing is pro-state. I've mentioned repeatedly that I think organizing is pretty much the most important way to change the future, I just don' t think doing so in a pro-state organization will lead to the best outcome. States don't give up power, I'm not interested in getting my guys into power, that's the mistake of history. Nobody deserves power.

'Socialist organizing is pro-state, but organizing is important.' wtf? How can you even marginally support the dems if this is your ideology? So you don't think people should organize around socialist concepts? what kind of anarcho-communist are you? because even if you decry all extant orgs as "statist" presumably you are organizing (if you actually are) with leftists... every socialists/communists/anarchists who I have organized with wouldn't bristle at being called socialist in a casual context. You clearly don't understand why leftists engage in electoralism, especially when there isn't a good chance of them winning. Do you think that voting for 3rd parties in the presidential is to get elected? If it happens that's great (it won't), but it is primarily to spread your political message, the majority of the work of any well-meaning left org is not electoral, it is on the ground and in the community. I don't understand how this specific action is pro-state outside of some of the participants not being anarchists. Leftists should support leftist political projects and parties and not the political parties of empire. I don't understand why this is so fucking hard to understand.

Yes, because math matters, individual votes matter that's why billions are spent to influence individuals by targeting groups. That's why I'm bothering to argue with you guys, because I see y'all have empathy you're just misled into thinking Xi and Putin (two of the richest most powerful men the world has ever seen) actually are interested in your well being. There are many MAGA people in your same situation that think Trump is interested in their well being. They've been told their enemy is minorities, you've been told your enemy is everyone not wanting to destroy America at any cost and not all about sucking Xi dick.

And there we have it. Like clockwork, the chauvinism that plagues the western left rears its rotting head. Absolutely incapable of looking at things from another perspective, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Ignoring the homophobic/problematic aspects of this tirade, why do you believe that you can completely disregard history? because the american leftist project is going to supercede anything those damn others do? I don't like Putin, you'd find a significant portion (if not majority of the people on this site) don't, but I actually pay attention to history and don't let myself be dragged around by the nose by the US state department. Most of my attention is in my immediate surroundings and community. I am, in fact, not motivated by fucking xi or putin you goddamn weirdo, I'm motivated by the fucking horror show that is the USA. I'm motivated by my friends who were murdered by the state. I'm motivated by the fact that we have fucking full blown nazi acceptance in the west (yes, by the dems). Again, if you want to vote for dems, I don't fucking care, but don't expect roses and applause when you get in people's face about bullshit while the world is crumbling around them.

First off, you'll notice people calling this a "betrayal", because they expected more from a Democrat, this and worse would be typical and expected for a Republican. Second of all, I didn't read the law but read Newsom's note about it and kinda agree. Newsom is not motivated by trans hate lol.

Ohhh okay, so the dems can actually be heinous and throw trans folks under the bus but it needs to be cold and calculated and maybe pretend to be sad about it. Gotcha. As long as the calculus lines up, right? All your whinging about trans people getting better treatment under dems was complete bullshit, i guess. Do you actually care? are you comfortable and insulated and don't actually feel the impact of dem Policy? The fact that this act doesn't disgust you speaks volumes. 'Capitulating to the right is good actually! Only the leftists are giving up when they refuse to play by the rules set by the house! The dems are allowed, however, to do anything and everything that they want because they aren't fascists! and we can't criticize them because that's the same thing as being fascist!'

When I was young and dumb, I worked on a bunch of political campaigns (gubernatorial, presidential, congressional). The thing that struck me was the number of people who didn't give a shit about the democratic party because their lives weren't improved by it at all, and these were not politically illiterate people. They were fully able to point to issues in their communities or in their state, what have you, that would have changed things for the better. Ask me how the political careers of those democrats went and what harm they prevented.

Math doesn't give a shit about opinions, voting third party in our system is a losing proposition. Use it for signalling in safe districts.

Ooohh, now math doesn't give a shit. Earlier you were giving people grief for saying their individual votes didn't matter. So we can break out the math and realize that our individual votes don't matter in most cases.

Voting third party is the most bare minimum basic thing people can do. If you aren't seeing the tangible and meaningful impact that effective political organizing can achieve, then it is on you to rectify that if you truly have ideals which align with anarcho-communism. If you are saying that voting for dems is a worthwhile strategy because they are ineffectual, you can communicate that point without going whole hog defending the dems. I disagree, but it's a more defensible position. Also, quick aside, why do you think that without meaningful socialist organizing that the leftists would take power after ineffectual dem governance? its just as likely, if not more, that the rightwing with false populism would rise to replace the dems, especially if what little organized left was shown to be in bed with the dems.

while you're trying to get your party into power.

Said the individual campaigning for votes for dems.

If you and the people you are organizing with (I'm sure you organize irl) decide to engage in entryism. Good for you, hope it goes well. I'll tell you, historically, it typically doesn't go great.

Newsom literally just vetoed a bill to protect trans kids in california despite overwhelming democrat representation and approval, that's the most recent ratfuckery the democrats have pulled in a long line of them. You're telling people to run for office? Tell me what happened to Bernie, an extremely milquetoast left option but still too disruptive to DNC corporate interest.

I agree with you people should vote, they should vote for third parties. they should communicate to political institutions that what we have is not working. But too many Americans have latched onto their dumb sports team red-blue politics game rather than trying to actually understand what political power is materially, theoretically, and historically. If we do engage in entryism (we shouldn't) it should be organized so as not to get subsumed and crushed. If you are personally compelled to vote for the democrats out of personal interest, I will not stop you. But I am not interested in crumbs dusted from the table.

You do not have a morally superior position because you personally feel scared by one of the two sides of the increasingly fascistic coin of american politics. I'd argue that dismissing the immense suffering of huge swathes of the world let alone the USA in exchange for personal security is an immensely selfish (at minimum amoral) stance. Especially when that security is built on a house of cards that can be taken away at any moment when the Democrats find it "politically inconvenient" to support trans people.

Also, yes, lots of dems are intentionally cruel, so socialists support and organize with socialist/left parties. Wild that. The binary of Republican-Democrat is such an obviously bullshit creation; it's incredible that in the year 2023 people are still browbeating people for not caring about presidential elections. It might be worthwhile to interrogate why you think that the mass amounts of violence that the Democrats support (often, in conjunction with the Republicans or as continuation of Republican policy) can be so readily dismissed.

If you think that voting in US Presidential Elections will make your country any better, and you are willing to ignore harm happening to the already hyper-exploited and oppressed populations of the world, then you are a misguided electoralist - a morally tenuous position at best.

RFK junior was so upset about not getting secret service protection he hired 007

I know a couple of old head programmers in their 60s who deeply lament the world they've created. So... you're not alone lmao.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of intelligent fascists. We just live in the time of failsons.

Just noticed the hitler painting in the back,

“As the committee has learned, when you scrutinise and follow the billions of US investor dollars flowing to CCP-controlled Chinese enterprises, courtesy of reckless Wall Street firms, it leads to nowhere good in many instances,” he said.

That's just the free market doing what it does! What are you? A bunch of commies? A bunch of commies trying to interfere with the invisible hand? Do you hate freedom?!?

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