love it when someone pulls out their "spoke to refugee" card as if it means anything by itself. I have also spoken with refugees including a man who barely managed to escape from Azov controlled Mariupol early in the war and had many choice words about the current regime and the far-right groups in the military. Curious how refugees with his perspective on Ukraine and the war is never elevated in the west, but we do find time to applaud an SS member on a Ukraine propaganda tour. 
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yeah i assumed she likely knew about it. I probably could've phrased it better. I comment as much for the lurkers as for the people I'm responding to.
If Slovakia, a country of about 5.5 million people, matters so much, then why do so many people (including Silvio Berlusconi and George W. Bush) confuse it with Slovenia?
What a fucking wild way to phrase that. Great friends the west are. 
If you haven't read this article, I highly recommend. Wikipedia has severe issues regarding reliability.
https://www.wired.com/story/one-womans-mission-to-rewrite-nazi-history-wikipedia/
It Has Come to Pass (Inevitable, or Bolshevik Soldier Stands Guard in the Winter Palace) by Sergei Lukin
At that point why wouldn't you just hire an expensive matchmaker. Who is this for?
People are calling Ukraine a nazi state because it is full of nazi apologists, is full of nazi symbolism, their national heroes are nazis, their military is full of nazis, they parade genocidal SS members in foreign governments, and so on. Plenty of people here speak on the tragedy that Ukrainians are experiencing but that doesn't mean you ignore the nazis, who at a minimum served as the tail 'wagging the dog' of the Ukrainian state escalating violence in the conflict with the DPR and LPR, cascading into the war.
No one is saying Russia = communist. By that logic, Ukrainian history also would imply it as being communist, they have just as much a right to that legacy as Russia. Talking for myself, I am mostly horrified at the complete acceptance and triumphalism that nazis have received in the west in the past couple of years. I imagine most users of this site feel the same way. I repeatedly talk with people IRL about this conflict that goes into history and context for why Russia is not insane nor evil for this war, despite it still being a tragedy, and I get a lot of people who call me a putinbot, tankie, or some equivalent thought terminating cliche.
I think a lot of people have chosen a side because we have not been meaningfully allowed a voice to advocate for peaceful diplomatic measures. Calls for peace and diplomacy are met with accusations of russian propaganda. Nazi membership is merely russian propaganda now. So, for many, these are the sides and you have to choose one or the other and some US leftists are choosing revolutionary defeatism, sometimes it has a more vulgar pro-russia/anti-nazi stance but it's wayy better than the vulgar pro-nazi stance lmao.
I don't mind it when China or Russia comes up implicitly. I'm just exhausted of the empty argument that is "China/Russia/Venezuela/Cuba/Boogeyman tho. We have to do this horrific thing even if none of those geopolitical actors are meaningfully involved". I'll be doing distinctly local shit and this nonsense comes up. I'm sick of it. 
Edit: but yes, definitely tiring to have to walk the line of 'no the rf is not evil incarnate and it has legitimate concerns but also it's not communist and deserves critique... it's complicated' especially when talking to people who barely understand what communism and capitalism actually are.
You don't think that posting on a random forum is casual? Antagonistic sure, but also definitely casual. I use socialist in person all the time in order to get around sectarian bullshit in contexts that are much more formal than an online forum lmao.
You blunder into a room (full of minorities) to proselytize that everyone must vote for dems to support trans people and then dismiss a markedly anti-democratic and anti-trans action, deferring entirely to the singular authority of a man who you claim to be a detractor of. You use your 'anarchist creds' to attack the left with uncritical, ahistorical analysis, but won't criticize the establishment when there are quantifiable actions to criticize. You attack left orgs with basically zero institutional power for being pro-state whilst defending the literal US government. You resort to homophobic attacks to assume I am a useful idiot for foreign governments and perceived boogeyman and that I am no different from a Trump supporter. You don't even bother mentioning how dem support for literal nazis factors into your support. You don't respond to others who make compelling arguments against your tired points. Why the hell should I respond to you with anything other than dismissal?
It's incredible how quickly chauvinism pops up when arguing with radlibs about domestic politics.
'Can't criticize the 
because that helps russia!'
I'm so sick of having to talk about china or russia when discussing issues that aren't remotely related. I'm so sick of being called a putin bot or whatever because I am sick of American empire and its violence. I'm so sick of needing to find the "civil, proper" way to criticize the fact that the canadian parliament applauded a literal nazi.
I am tired
That would be great if dem supporters actually criticized this policy (and engaged politically outside of the kiddy pool of republican-democrat electoralism), but the majority don't seem to think it is an issue. Many believe that Biden shouldn't be criticized at all because it helps trump. Cough Cough.
If american politics is fubar then it's fubar and we should be done with the facade of the "better option" and strive to redesign it rather than acquiesce to the horror.