Redcat

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[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

For two reasons. The standard cause is Republican detraction from the sitting president. Americans tend to align in favor of wars on partisan terms. Republicans favored Iraq and Afghanistan, Democrats favored Syria and Libya. So it all amounts to Liberal infighting. If the president is on the other side of the aisle your guys, your media people, and your grifters get to pretend to be competent realists, shepherds of american reputation, or even anti-war activists. But it's all an illusion. One of the ways Trump fucked Hillary over was due to her record voting for the Iraq War, and then leading the wars in Syria and Libya. Things that she was always quite proud of. Trump might even genuinely believe that Iraq and Libya and so on were stupid. By and large however Americans are not an anti-war culture. So the actual impulse isn't so much 'waging war is bad', but 'waging this war in this way was bad'.

The more complex issue at hand is that far right grifters online tend to see Russia as a means to get China. In their perfect world the United States would ally with Russia and integrate it into it's world order as a means to encircle and destroy the 'communist Chinese'. That is because Russia is idealized as a neo-conservative, hyper religious promised land that hates feminism, lgbt+ rights, and so on.

One good example of this worldview is how back when Trump was elected far right circles online went on a nonstop frenzy of meme-making where Trump and Putin would ally to invade Turkey and genocide all the muslims from 'Constantinople'. In that case it was less about China and more about destroying the 2000s-2010s boogeyman of, well, every muslim in the world.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 81 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (27 children)

so he could commit cultural genocide.

look, zelensky is a jewish person who sees israeli apartheid as a model to be followed but i wouldn't go so far that as to say he wanted to do cultural genocide. it's just azov and the right sector who wanted to.

and as we all know azov and the far right militias are now in command of the ukrainian army / government. they don't exist anymore. so it's all good.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (2 children)

territorial integrity takes precedence over popular will

we agree taiwan isn't a country then

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago

a russian majority region would rather not be ethnically cleansed

they join russia

those people are pro russian empire traitors

yea

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 53 points 2 years ago

democracy is when you elect zelensky on a platform of peace with russia but he lets the Right Sector and Azov continue to try the ethnic cleansing of eastern ukraine

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

this one is harrowing. gotta log off for the day.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sure, we can joke about this but consider, that if I or anybody I know thought like that we simply wouldn't discuss politics at all. As that's something that liberals and fascists also do.

So you've watched enough american media to believe that political memes are something that Russians do, and that they totally destroyed american democracy with those memes? Well, I've seen more than my fair share of NAFO and americans online making memes about how non westerners should all be genocided. That won't keep me from making fun of a fascist like Ron DeSantis with a meme.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

is there anything else that you refuse to do because russians potentially do them as well?

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Yes, you know that the US can do almost anything it wants and that it won't trigger a war with Mexico. It can sanction thousands or millions to death by starvation and lack of medical supplies. It can bomb people. It can seize and occupy territory if it really wants to. Not because the US wouldn't be waging war then, but because the Mexicans and the rest of latin america are too weak to fight back. And in knowing this you can then claim that, actually, 'this is misleading 4/5 pinocchios Ron DeSantis only wants the right to do a little gunboat diplomacy with capital punishment characteristics and that's not really a war'.

I'm sure that if China drone bombed someone in New York the Americans would be super chill about it.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago

The US got heat from other supporters of Ukraine for that even.

Pfft, as if. Oh the Europeans always do that. They'll whine on TV about how this War is unfair, or that french colony should be freed. Then they'll send volunteers to help with Iraq and Afghanistan. They are just as bloodthirsty, but they are cowards about it.

[–] Redcat@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Trump made Hillary eat so much shit over the Iraq War, and here you've got Ronny saying he wants to jumpstart the greatest refugee crisis in the world right at the border.

Why do you think your base wants a wall, Ron?

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