Libs I know, after hearing me complain about capitalism, have told me "It's not like we're still living in the times of the Dickens novels. Oliver Twist wasn't a documentary, moron."
I now present them with this headline.
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I have to say, I'm very curious to know what happened and what the issue was, but I understand if it's not something people want to get into or worry about having to rehash. Whatever the case, I'm sad to see Aryuproudomenowdaddy stepping down from their movie-maestro position. They did a great job and from what I saw, it was pretty much always a good time in there.
Oh definitely. I'd be eternally grateful to any person who saved my best friend from death, even if it weren't such an excruciating one as burning. Whatever cop saved that dog did an undeniably good thing and I didn't mean the comment as a condemnation of that one. Cops in general are actually capable of doing doing good, actually. It just doesn't change the fundamentally evil role they play in a capitalist society nor the fact that on the whole they're prone to doing despicable things as a result of that position... and the sociopathic feedback loop of that role attracting people who want to do despicable things in the first place.
I was just pointing out that what gets boosted and celebrated on reddit is the copaganda stories. It's the post linked by OP that everyone on reddit should be made aware of, and how common the practice is of cops murdering dogs. Instead, I found it really ironic that literally minutes after seeing this post, the thing I see on reddit's front page with tens of thousands more upvotes is yet another heroic cop story, pretty much the polar opposite of this one.
Meanwhile, what is it that actually makes it to the front page of that shithole copaganda site?
Yeah, the same with all The Deprogram boys too. 
JT is quite bad with it, and even Hakim goes into long, tedious ads for VPNs. It's nearly inescapable and it sucks.
I think it comes down to whether or not you have an audience. Arguing with libs online is indeed pointless if your goal is to change that one lib's mind. It's just not worth the time or effort when the chance of success is so close to zero as to may as well be zero. But if other people are reading, your odds get better and you might consider there being another potential goal, like planting seeds. If the audience is also mostly comprised of libs, there's at least a possibility that you might be in a good position to get some of them to start questioning the bullshit, especially if some of them are the kind who don't even get exposed to anything else. Saying things that they might think about later can have an effect on observers, VILenin's potential gotcha reasoning in the comment above being a great example.
Most of us here were also libs at one point, and seeing good arguments from communists is part of what radicalized me and others who have said as much in the past. You can use whatever tactics you think best, including just laughing at them or PPB'ing them, because some people are actually swayed when someone who shares their beliefs are taken down a peg by someone else roundly ridiculing them. But I would never say that "refuting them is the wrong play" in that kind of scenario, because good argumentation and good use of rhetoric does influence people especially if they're just on the sidelines observing.
I agree that it's important never to platform a nazi, but I think this is a bit different. The not platforming nazis thing assumes the nazis don't already have the platform, that they're trying to push an agenda that requires more acceptance of what they're saying, acceptance that they don't have yet. In this case, they already have it. Their brushing aside of this genocide is the mainstream position. You're not preventing people from being exposed to their toxicity by simply not engaging them, and talking about their odious position doesn't add to its legitimacy because it has already been legitimized. Also, while I know the true dyed in the wool libs are just as-yet scratched fascists, I still believe the majority of people who think of themselves as liberals do have hearts and minds and can be won over. Having these kinds of arguments and considering good methods of argumentation is not futile, and neither is putting it into practice in places where a good number of lurkers might be reading.
You probably know this, but in case not and for others interested, Tom Nicholas did a whole video about that specific incident and youtubers doing corporate propaganda in general. It was pretty good. I also unsubscribed from Veritasium around then, mostly because of their doubling down after the TN video rather than acknowledging it. A shame because Veritasium was pretty decent as far as that kind of channel goes.
I'm with OP though. The embedded "this video is sponsored by" ads, no matter how ironically or cleverly a youtuber inserts it in, still seriously rankles me. All the more when leftist "content creators" do it. It just feels all the more hypocritical.
According to some in here (even hexbears?!? blech), the genocide perpetrator you know is always better than the one you don't, so yeah, you'd better 
for the one you already know is committing a genocide to reduce harm. That's just facts and logic. 
I'm not sure where the lines are in these definitions, or how much the difference really matters but I'm hoping he will be remembered not just as an enabler but as a direct accomplice, which he is. He could have chosen to stop it at any point, instead he has goaded it on and knowingly, unhesitatingly provided the material means to perpetrate it.
man I would love to play this with comrades from hexbear and l'grad! 
jealous cupcake.
https://hexbear.net/post/2301742 (newsmega)