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I started by reading up on Bandera

https://www.jstor.org/stable/20451225

Then after that I looked into the formation of the OUN (established in 1929) and OUN-M/OUN-B split in 1940 and their histories.

From their I traced back Bandera and the Ukrainians far rights influences on Ukrainian nationhood that first originate from Bohdan Khmelnytsky, the Cossack who’s uprising against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth included massacres of Jews and pogroms. He is a legendary figure to Ukraine as a Cossack and jew killer, just like Bandera, because this is what Ukrainian nationalism IS

https://books.google.com/books?id=iycoCgAAQBAJ

Even before the coup, Ukraine was the most anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi filled, corrupt and sex trafficking nation in the post soviet states and nearly on Earth. Then it all got worse after the coup after those exact people seized even more power. It wasn’t great even before the coup, it was just less overtly imperialistic and western oriented.

In all cases the people would be better off under a unified Russian federation that wasn’t Balkanized. I stand by my statement, “ukrainianism” is bad just like “Zionism” and it’s a damn shame we live in the reality with both

Try and find one progressive movement in Ukraine’s entire history that wasn’t a top down implementation by the Soviets. You say most nations have movements both ways, so if that’s true where are the progressive ones with any sway or power?

Of course there were based and commie Ukrainians, millions of them. None of them would identify first and foremost as Ukrainian, but as red army or soviet. The Jews being pogromed mostly just wanted the pogroms to stop, they didn’t really care about the specific national project. During the civil war and WW2 it was the red army (containing so-called Ukrainians) stopping holocausts/pogroms and Ukrainian nationalists doing them (alongside tsarists and later Nazis)

The old KMT wanted reunification with them in charge. Once it became clear that would never happen, the 2 major factions in Taiwan now are “don’t rock the boat, status quo” vs. “declare independence, host American nukes”. Nobody in power in Taiwan wants reunification anymore because they realize they won’t be in charge. Who cares though, they will get reunified whether they like it or not their fake puppet state doesn’t have any legitimacy.

Ukraine is also an apartheid state against Russian speakers and Eastern Ukrainians, killing 14,000 civilians since 2014

implying that the country (or at least all members of the nationality) are in some way reactionairy.

Again, never said or implied this. The national project is reactionary, wanting a Ukrainian state is reactionary. Not all the people within, but at least the ruling class. For example, the USA is an inherently racist and reactionary project but that doesn’t mean literally every American is a Nazi. Do you see this difference yet?

USSR didn’t create Ukraine, it was a national movement before that ran by Banderites and jew killers. They are the ones who first began the movement away from the Russian empire on these grounds, that they were more European and less Slavic. It’s inherently tied in to the very core sentiment of the project.

Just because people within a national project like it doesn’t mean it has a right to exist. The majority of Israelis and Taiwanese would probably tell you they want their nation to continue too, but too bad. They both have to go.

Removing my comments for being reactionary while I criticize Nazi nationalist projects is hilarious, would you remove someone saying Israel shouldn’t exist and Zionism is inherently reactionary for being “anti-Semitic”?

Ukrainians nationalism existed before the USSR, it was reactionary black hundreds banditry and fascism and anti-Russian sentiment that saw those to the east as asiatic and non-European. It did tons of pogroms to excise Jews and poles and Slavs.

It was kept in check while the Soviets held power but just barely, with fascists constantly attempting coups and sabotage and Nazi collaborationism.

As soon as the USSR ended it immediately returned to its inherently fascist project of The Ukraine, which is inherently exclusionary and racist just like Israeli Zionism. Zelenskyy even states himself the long term goal of Ukraine is to become a “new Israel”

Proof is in the pudding. Ukraine only temporarily was progressive while under the control of the central USSR, and even then they had constant problems with fascists internally and Nazi collaborators unlike any other soviet state.

Not one good or progressive thing has come out of Ukrainian nationalism. It’s been a century of Holocaust collaborationism, anti-communism, imperialist compradorhood and becoming a global hub for Nazis. It is what it is, on full display for the world. The movement itself is inherently broken at its core. The Soviets had to make compromises within the USSR, and they made mistakes - one of which was allowing the pre-existing Ukrainian nationalism movement to gain steam instead of crushing it

If it had never become an SSR we wouldn’t have this conflict today and we wouldn’t have a festering pit of Nazis to deal with

Worshiping a non-existent figment. There’s no such thing as the Ukrainian SSR so what is the point of this? What Ukraine nationalism means in the real world can be seen quite openly on display