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Because Canada fucking loves Nazis. Same reasons they let tens of thousands in after WW2, same reason their deputy PM is the unapologetic child of a Ukrainian Nazi, same reason they are part of the NATO Nazi alliance, same reason they clapped for a nazi in their parliament and thanked him for his service. THEY ARE NAZIS.

wtf based poland

This is an instance of high-flown phraseology with which Trotsky always justifies opportunism. A “revolutionary struggle against the war” is merely an empty and meaning less exclamation, something at which the heroes of the Second International excel, unless it means revolutionary action against one’s own government even in wartime. One has only to do some thinking in order to understand this. Wartime revolutionary action against one’s own government indubitably means, not only desiring its defeat, but really facilitating such a defeat. ("Discerning reader”: note that this does not mean “blowing up bridges”, organising unsuccessful strikes in the war industries, and ·in general helping the government defeat the revolutionaries.)

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/jul/26.htm

You agree that NATO/US is perpetuating a proxy war against Russia correct? You live in a NATO country/US? Then it's your duty "really facilitating such a defeat [of one's own government]". That means organizing successful strikes in the war industries and stopping ammo/weapon shipments and raising a stink against money going to Ukraine. It means pointing out the Ukrainian Nazis and desiring their DEFEAT as our own proxies.

I suppose it doesn't truly matter whether you "critically support" Russia or not, as an American or westerner - in that your prayers won't materially empower either side or have any outcome (as long as your still organize against support/weapons for Ukraine with the rest of the revolutionaries). However, when we are having discussions amongst ourselves what good is it to all lie and pretend like we don't want Russia to win? We do, it's in our best interests. I think a lot of westerners just aren't ready to make the final leap to a full revolutionary position - just like many in the 2nd international couldn't and the SPD voted for war bonds to support their own imperialist government, breaking solidarity with the proletariat of other nations. Russia winning is the best outcome though for revolutionaries in the US and across the globe, destroying the hegemonic empire is a necessary pre-requisite step to any revolutionary activity anywhere. AmeriKKKa must be destroyed and Russia is the one doing the most damage to it currently.

Lenin worked with Germany and took resources from them. Marx raised money for the Ottomans. Yes, it in fact does mean opposing your own empire by supporting its opponents (and getting supported by its opponents, in Lenin's case) and sabotaging your own empire.

Fence-sitting is passive and neutral. Revolutionary Defeatism is active and works against ones own empire (de facto supporting its opponents) by being a 5th column. Essentially it's being a reverse-comprador. Instead of being a traitor to your own nation in order to empower a foreign imperialist/colonizer coming into your country, you are supposed to be a traitor to your own imperialist nation in order to empower a foreign colony/target to remove your own empire and its proxies.

This is why one of the most essential tasks of any revolutionary party is to analyze and assess whether their own nation is imperialist or not. Not all capitalist nations are imperialist (Gaddafi being attacked by NATO/US deserves critical support, a Libyan revolutionary should not have sabotaged their own nation during war while an America/NATO resident should have).

we don't support russia

Speak for yourself, I do and I hope they have complete and total victory over NATO proxies. You have a revolutionary defeatist duty to critically support Russia in this fight against your empire. Fence-sitting is not revolutionary defeatism, revolutionary defeatism means critically supporting the opponents of your own side.

Z. All Nazis will be obliterated.

hope Ukraine finds a way to stop this

Ukraine never even tried, they like "this"

Remember in 2016 when libs pretended they wanted to punch and de-platform nazis? Lmao, turns out that was 100% complete and total opportunist bullshit

It’s also part of a consistent pattern of the west and especially Canada embracing fascists after WW2. It’s not a one-off

24% of men listen to Ben Shapiro? Fucking bleak

This and Ukrainian troops being pictured with Sonnenrad and other Nazi symbols, is a really bad look. War going on or not, Ukraine and Western allies should show that Nazi symbolism will not be tolerated under any circumstances. But they won't. It's an easy victory for the Russian narrative that they're trying to "de-Nazify" Ukraine as well.

Yeah the issue is the "optics" and that it proves Russia right lmao

The issue is the fucking fascism. The issue is the west being unashamed fascists who don't realize they are the baddies wearing skull caps. Russia is correct about western nazis.

Nazis are just job creators now