Yeah I have a bookmarked search setting for pre-February 2022 searches because of how rapidly the entire media landscape changed overnight. Have to use a lot of archives and waybackmachines as well, since a lot of it was deleted or edited later. All the "pro-Russian" media also got censored and banned and is just gone now, which includes a lot of leftist smaller independent media. FAIR and Grayzone and Mint Press are all suppressed in google search algos compared to pre-Russiagate hysteria
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A big part of why I ended up hear in hexbear is because it's one of the only places where everybody doesn't lie about your beliefs to just off handedly dismiss your concerns.
Ok, then I won't lie and will state the truth as bluntly as possible. I personally think the anti-Russia stance of western socialists is chauvinist and incoherent and have argued as much constantly here, with mixed support. As I have explained down below, it's a western socialist's revolutionary defeatist duty to oppose their own empire by being a fifth column and critically supporting its enemies. Lenin was quite clear on this, it does not mean passive fence sitting and both-sidesism. It in fact, is much the opposite. It's active attacks on one's own imperialist government through organized activity to interfere with NATO war funds, NATO war supplies, NATO war support, etc.
It's an incoherent position to say "I oppose my nation's imperialism but I also oppose the enemies of my nation". You don't get to say both. We can argue if the invasion in February 2022 was a strategic error or not, but that doesn't really matter because we are not Russian war strategizers. We are western socialists. Do you understand your place and role? It's to weaken your empire, and if you can work with its enemies to do so you should.
It's really interesting how everybody actually in this sub talks about how it's bad Russia invaded and they're deffinitly aggressors and denounce them, we just think nazis are bad.
Z. Russia is defending itself and I support their invasion. I think Nazis are bad and need violent action taken against them when they build up concentrated military power. I'm glad someone is finally doing it, despite Putin being a liberal cuck who waited 8 years too long to do it - strung along by EU perfidy.
This is the flowering of years of reactionary seed-sowing. The population has been primed for decades on Holodomor soft-holocaust denial, anti-soviet cold war propaganda and more recently: Ukraine Nazis being the Good Nazis TM.
What else would we expect? Of course this is the natural result of a bunch of people believing these things. It's the active re-writing of history and the slow boiling nazifaction of hundreds of millions of people
It's a correct point, but it matters how and why you're leveraging it. If it's to say that both the confederates and the union were terrible, but ending slavery was still a positive unintended outcome from a socialist analysis of history that's fine. If it's to say that the union were just as bad, if not worse than the confederates, and slavery wasn't a big deal then it's confederate apologism and reactionary.
Basically, are you criticizing the union from the left or the right? The fact that my teacher was constantly talking about how the war wasn't actually about slavery, and how Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and removed us from the Gold standard clues us in on the narrative being pushed.
Also, it ignores the context of the lead-up and instigation of the war - which was heavily pushed by abolitionists. Acts like Bleeding Kansas, John Brown's raid on Harper Ferry and the beating of Sumner on the senate floor basically were the sparks that ignited the war, so the war was very much about slavery regardless of Lincoln's personal intent and opinions
They also ignore that the allied nations all had similar non-aggression pacts with Nazi Germany, much like Molotov-Ribbentrop and in fact had them before the Soviets did. Also conveniently forgotten is the USSR's offer to move armies through Poland to protect Czechoslovakia from Nazi annexation, which Poland rejected. Oh, we don't talk about the USSR's offer to invade Nazi Germany that the allies rejected.
Like, at this point what the fuck was the USSR supposed to do? It wasn't industrialized enough at the time to take on Germany and Italy and Japan alone, and all the allied nations were ignoring the problem or actively contributing to it. The USSR had to follow suit and buy as much time as they could, and get as much of a buffer as they could, for the incoming total war everyone knew was coming
I was such a little chud in elementary/middle school because I just repeated what was around me and what my dad said. I was pro-Iraq War, pro-Bush and made a middle school video on the Holodomor and how Stalin killed more people than Hitler. I remember kinda being a bit both-sides on the civil war because of "northern aggression" and "Lincoln was a tyrant" due to my middle school teacher always talking up how Lincoln didn't actually care about slavery and was just trying to destroy the southern economy (true but who cares dipshit, he still freed the slaves and owned the slavers).
It all fell off almost immediately once I hit the age where you can think for yourself though, not sure exactly what did it. Mostly it was leaving my super conservative church.
The positive side of this is I have a kind of insight into the workings of the conservative mind, since I used to think their thoughts as a literal baby-brain. I can really see how conservatism is very childish in its logic, very cruel and idealist and lacking context in so many various ways. Whenever I hear a chud barking off some reactionary nonsense it's so easy to imagine a literal 6 year old there saying the same things.
The ambient libs mostly don't care as much about politics or have checked out partially, they may be outraged over some blatant nazism but they aren't organized or mobilized to do anything about it and will quickly fall back into their malaise.
When the Nazi/fascist minoritarians take power, they usually have the blatant support of around 30% of the population. The other 70% aren't all anti-fascist partisans or Schindler's hiding and saving jews. Most of them are ambient libs who continue being ambient libs/ambient fash and just acclimatize to the the current political zeitgeist.
They're not going to. If by some fluke they do, it means the Polish lobby in Canada is more powerful than I realized and more powerful than the Ukrainian lobby. If the Jewish lobby gets involved, then maybe. Seems like it's not going to have much to do with how Nazi Canada is or isn't, and more to do with the competition between various special interest groups and who happens to have more leverage at the moment.
The meeting between KJU and Putin was to exchange state secrets on Juche Necromancy for 100 tons of polonium tea so that KJU can assassinate his entire nation
I was always taught growing up in the 90s/early 2000s even that the Soviets were part of the Axis until the Nazis "betrayed" them and forced them to switch sides. Basically, a total re-writing of history.
nobody wants to look like they support Nazis.
Got bad news for you. The Libs are all apologists for Nazis now over this incident. They are beginning their transformation
Propaganda that praising and clapping for literal Nazi jew killers is bad actually? Why is that propaganda and not just simple, blunt truth that Canada self-owned with? Russia didn't make Canada clap for the jew killer and thank him for his service, they did that all on their own because it's who they are.
What's a complete oversimplification? Be explicit, what is being oversimplified? That Canada is filled with tens of thousands of Ukrainian Nazis that they purposefully accepted into their country to break the pro-labor Ukrainian diaspora that existed there pre-WW2? The decades of historical revisionism and nazi apologetics becoming mainstream that allow for this to happen? This was all consciously pushed by your leaders, who are nazi sympathetic. If anything, the oversimplification is that this makes like a little whoopsie by 1 Canadian MP instead of part of a decades long Nazi project by Canadian elites specifically, and western elites more broadly.
NATO was staffed top to bottom with Nazis. Operation Aerodynamic began funding and spreading nazi ideology in Ukraine before the bodies were even cleaned up from Nazi genocide. The west installed fascists and Nazis into power in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Ukraine, Indonesia, West Germany and dozens of other places. This is who they are.