I just explained how conservatives in colonized nations have participated in revolutions and de-colonial movements. Do you believe these were bad for gay, trans, women, working class people and religious minorities?
Did you know the people protecting religious minorities in the Middle East are Iran and Syria (conservatives), while it's the western Liberal proxies that are discriminating and fascistic (Israel, ISIS, Turkey)? Everything is not so simple as your idealism lets you imagine
I'm not saying patsoc online americans don't exist, I'm saying you have no way to distinguish between them and actual anti-american people from poor nations unless they self-identify (most of them don't). I also believe the "threat" of "patsocs" is much overstated and played up by the same folks who brought us fears about "bernie bros" and "tankies" and "brocialists". I just don't give a fuck about the handwringing fears that radlibs have about the latest tiny online reactionary fad of the day. Actual bonafide fascists control both major parties and the American state is a fascist war machine, I really don't give a fuck about a 0.1% of the population saying stupid anti-American things online.
More idealist flattening of the world, I get so tired of you people doing this. Learn what words mean. Conservatives in non-imperialist nations have been part of liberatory and de-colonial movements. An imperial core conservative is not the same as a conservative in a colonized nation.
If it's such an online movement, how do you know you're even talking to Americans for the most part outside of obvious fed figures like Haz? Random twitter accounts or whatever are likely just anti-American people from poor nations.
just realize a lot of the people online who are slightly conservative who go around shitting on Ukraine aren't "nazbols" or "pat socs" they are just normal people from Africa, India and the Middle East. It's the height of chauvinism to assert they're all American nazis actually when they're just normal people who have the politics you would expect based on their nation having vague anti-imperialist views. The actual American Nazis support Ukraine, as I've re-iterated multiple times. Like the hardcore neo-nazis support Ukraine, in addition to the radlibs and libs and neocons.
I hate to break it to you, but these random anti-american chuds are more on our side than the "progressive liberals" from western nations. The primary contradiction is imperialism.
only the fascists and fascist adjacent patsocs are uncritically supporting Russia
You do realize not everyone on earth lives in the US right? This is a very US-centric online understanding of political groups. Normal non-fascist “conservatives” outside the west all support Russia, and I’m talking about boring conservatives like Indian diplomats and Alexander Mercouris and Mersheimer. Pretty much everyone outside the west, both conservative and leftist, supports Russia. It’s only Liberal-Fascists that support Ukraine, the western educated “creative” classes that form the backbone of comprador governments.
I think your understanding is basically inverted from reality, and American fascists support Ukraine not Russia. All Communists in the west have a duty to critically support Russia, and many radlibs and Ukraine freaks misperceive this as uncritical support and accuse communists of being “Patsocs” when they are just communists. I think you’ve been hanging around these people too often because you have internalized the radlib framing
why are patsocs now bigger than they’ve been in decades?
Because a socially rightwing capitalist state (russia) is leading the global movement into the multipolar world. The main actor on the world stage doing good things for the people of the world outside the West is a conservative backed into a corner by the US. That's why patsocs have such power right now, because people uneducated in politics are looking around and seeing Putin kicking ass and making the worst people on Earth cry and transforming world politics and global balances of power.
I wish it was China doing it instead, but honestly they're just too big and complacent and unwilling to take risks.
The video is saying the libtube isn't liberal enough and too many mean bros are calling them libs? Into the trash this video goes
The EU liberal leading the Progressive is probably the least terrible option
wrong, they are fascist imperialists
it's called, fico victory
it's a lie everyone is pretending to still believe, even the russians, because nobody wants world war. Ask anyone in the US who has military family and they'll tell you, massive amounts of people are getting deployed to Eastern Europe and Ukraine. Logistic roles are probably being handled by NATO militaries, even within Ukraine borders. The Ukrainian officer-corp is basically composed of 50% NATO advisors. NATO is flying recon drones all along the borders and even within them and coordinating strikes.
Yet their proxies have protected secular states, stopped jihadists from doing ethnic cleansing against christians, kurds and shia & resisted the genocide of the palestinians. Iran is still overwhelmingly a positive force in the middle east and they are conservatives, my point stands even if you can nitpick you can't address the world historical reality