Can you find similar video of a MANPAD doing this? I know so little about these weapons, I have no idea to say one way or another.
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But at this point I'm just trying to figure out what actually happened.
Yeah, same. I think between the IDF video from last night and the competing videos released today, the event is depicted as best it can. Very hard to tell what exactly happened due to how dark it is, and how poor the video quality is.
Final edit: I do not think the two competing videos depict the same event. Still weird how such similar events happened exactly an hour apart. This means that the sequence of events I outlined are a mishmash of two separate things. I don't think the video showing the "flares" is from the hospital bombing.
Reposting my comment in the mega. Let me know if you want this broken into parts, but I think the succession of events are important to provide context which is always missing from short clips:
From the videos we have seen it appears that several events happened in quick succession.
- Rocket salvo from Gaza
- Single rocket(?) from Gaza leading to 3
- Rocket intercepted/exploded high in the air (MANPAD shot at a plane? or a misfire/failed rocket?)
- Flares from an aircraft (??)
- Smaller explosion on the ground not at hospital
- Large explosion at the hospital
This video from the IDF released last night (which had been circulating before), shows 2, 3, 5, and 6, and afterwards a rocket salvo which I am not sure is actually 1 due to other footage: https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1714403025136017784, this is a similar video to what was shown on AJ Arabic, though without the ending: https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1714442617201586220
Some said this video was reversed, but I do not see any evidence of that, but I also fail to see how this shows a misfired rocket hitting a hospital. Whatever that single rocket was, exploded far above in the air.
Then there is this video, which shows 1, 4, and 6. Oddly, I do not see the first smaller explosion here, and what happens in the sky is clearly not 3 as clearly depicted in the first video. The idea that it is flares from an aircraft would make sense. Also note how the salvo is heading away from the hospital: https://streamable.com/hchxwx
Now here's a kicker. The video Israel's twitter posted today is from the same location as the above video (see the building at the edge of the frame), but cropped: https://nitter.net/Israel/status/1714593881801601043
Here, the salvo is coming from the other side of the frame, making it look like it is heading towards the hospital. Looking at the two videos together, it appears that one of these videos has been altered. I am leaning towards the second being the altered video as it is heavily cropped and worse quality than the first.
My own suspicion is that Israel knew Gaza would be firing a salvo, and timed/planned a strike so it could plausibly blame Gaza for killing its own civilians. If we look at how this shapes the media narrative, it has directed attention away from the daily bombings of civilians and infrastructure into a debate about who bombed the hospital. It has allowed Israel to claim that it would never strike a hospital, even though they have been doing that all week, and "confirming" that Gaza launches rockets with civilian infrastructure as a shield. This redirects anger back at Hamas and Gaza shoring up support that Israel seemed to be losing in MSM narratives due to, quite frankly, some of the worst and most sustained war crimes that have happened in my lifetime.
Any thoughts?
edit: link to the post and comments as it has been edited and others have added: https://hexbear.net/comment/4121650
Final edit: I do not think the two competing videos depict the same event. Still weird how such similar events happened exactly an hour apart. This means that the sequence of events I outlined are a mishmash of two separate things. I don't think the video showing the "flares" is from the hospital bombing.
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From the videos we have seen it appears that several events happened in quick succession.
- Rocket salvo from Gaza
- Single rocket(?) from Gaza leading to 3
- Rocket intercepted/exploded high in the air (MANPAD shot at a plane? or a misfire/failed rocket?)
- Flares from an aircraft (??)
- Smaller explosion on the ground not at hospital
- Large explosion at the hospital
- See my edit, it appears there were even more explosions afterwards.
This video from the IDF released last night (which had been circulating before), shows 2, 3, 5, and 6, and afterwards a rocket salvo which I am not sure is actually 1 due to other footage: https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1714403025136017784, this is a similar video to what was shown on AJ Arabic, though without the ending: https://nitter.net/IDF/status/1714442617201586220
Some said this video was reversed, but I do not see any evidence of that, but I also fail to see how this shows a misfired rocket hitting a hospital. Whatever that single rocket was, exploded far above in the air.
Then there is this video, which shows 1, 4, and 6. Oddly, I do not see the first smaller explosion here, and what happens in the sky is clearly not 3 as clearly depicted in the first video. The idea that it is flares from an aircraft would make sense. Also note how the salvo is heading away from the hospital: https://streamable.com/hchxwx (same video without mark-up: https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17anen6/another_angle_of_the_hospital_explosion/)
Now here's a kicker. The video Israel's twitter posted today is from the same location as the above video (see the building at the edge of the frame), but cropped: https://nitter.net/Israel/status/1714593881801601043 (same video without crop: https://old.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17an67c/video_by_israels_channel_12_showing_the_moment_of/)
Here, the salvo is coming from the other side of the frame, making it look like it is heading towards the hospital. Looking at the two videos together, it appears that one of these videos has been altered. I am leaning towards the second being the altered video as it is heavily cropped and worse quality than the first.
My own suspicion is that Israel knew Gaza would be firing a salvo, and timed/planned a strike so it could plausibly blame Gaza for killing its own civilians. If we look at how this shapes the media narrative, it has directed attention away from the daily bombings of civilians and infrastructure into a debate about who bombed the hospital. It has allowed Israel to claim that it would never strike a hospital, even though they have been doing that all week, and "confirming" that Gaza launches rockets with civilian infrastructure as a shield. This redirects anger back at Hamas and Gaza shoring up support that Israel seemed to be losing in MSM narratives due to, quite frankly, some of the worst and most sustained war crimes that have happened in my lifetime.
Any thoughts?
Here are questions I am left with:
- What was 3? Something clearly exploded/disintegrated in the air. But what??
- What was 4? It doesn't appear to be 3 judging on the videos.
- What was the smaller explosion? I haven't seen anything on it. It wasn't the UNWRA school was it?
- What exact time did the hospital strike happen at? It seems that people are arguing one way or another on twitter, and the two competing videos are timestamped an hour apart.... Edit: AJ says 7:30pm ("At least 500 people were killed in an explosion at al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City at around 7.30pm on Tuesday"), which doesn't match either timestamp.
- Which video of the two released today is the correct one? Were the rockets heading towards or away from the hospital?
- What can we make of the images released today of the small crater at the hospital? This thread has one theory: https://nitter.net/FSBRG/status/1714609431877431713
Edit: Here is a full clip the footage from AJ Arabic was from: https://nitter.net/Ted55643099/status/1714538028604019116, which shows even more explosions with timestamps.
edit 2: I have added alternate versions of the two competing videos. Another oddity emerges, one timestamp reads 19:59 and another 18:59. Very confusing...
Where is that chart showing the stages of Israeli propaganda. We've reached the "its possible we did it, but trust me bro we didn't" stage
Israel today: "We would never strike civilians"
Israel also today: "We demolished a mosque with civilians inside"
People were sheltering in that area in large numbers. I'm not sure why people seemed convinced it flattened the hospital, as there was footage of victims being brought into the same hospital.
I didn't want to look too closely at the videos coming out of it, but one I saw was a lot of bodies. I wouldn't be too surprised if 500 was correct.
They literally struck multiple hospitals in the last week
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Yeah I couldn't find anything either. I would be surprised if this could even be confirmed at this point, and it would be everywhere if this was reported
Link? WSJs website is a labyrinth of paywalls
Good find