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[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Reading an actual book on economics makes it impossible for a benevolent individual to be a communist, at least without a physically painful amount of cognitive dissonance.

Oh, you sound really informed on this. What books of marxist economics have you read to come to this conclusion? What theory of subjective value based economics books?

I mean, I've just spent over a decade studying various schools of economics, maybe you have much more insight than me on this topic.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

Yeah, to be a communist you have to be stupid enough to read books on economics.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I think it works pretty well in real life too.

Privileged, child, or petite bourgeois aspirations?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

distinctions between mass murdering terrorists

Pot calling the kettle black lmao

All presidents are terrorist mass murderers it is part of the job.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

I mean... there is a reason why it works, US politics are incredibly corrupt. Hell, bribery is legal.

But because of not wanting to get blackballed people with influence can't come out and say "of course they're corrupt, but not as much as you"

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Remember that growth is relative. GDP per capita in the mid 30s was still three times higher in countries like the states, UK, and Switzerland compared to the Soviet Union. This trend continued into the next decades. Pretty much all of Europe had a stronger economy.

And how did that pan out for high GDP France? GDP per capita is a bad statistic to use. Two economists trading a random object and 20 dollars back and forth raises the GDP of a place by forty dollars per cycle

And there weren’t mass famines and rampant scarcity issues to the same extent in the west.

Thats because they exported their economic problems to the colonies. Look up how many people starved to death In British colonial India. Also the soviet union ended the previously periodic famines when their collectivization policy was fully implemented

Yes the Soviet economy did grow, but the libertarian argument is about efficiency.

What sort of efficiency? Because Marxists argue that capitalism is really good at making profit and really bad comparatively at efficiently improving human outcomes.

But many factors influence price (competition from profit seeking, availability of resources, etc).

That is literally why it has low information value.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

you remove profit motive in any sense, how can a group allocate resources effectively or incentivize work?

Empirical response: How did the soviet economy grow 50 percent during the Great depression?

Theory based response: when you remove profit seeking workers are no longer alienated from their labor, as the harder they work the more it benefits them and their community and not some rich fuck.

If I'm working a job now, what incentive do I have to be as productive as possible? The potential for promotion? If I wanted to optimize my chances for that, I'd be more interested in learning to be a kissass than to improve my work.

Price/profit margin signal more than just greed. The market self corrects based on prices.

Price is a very low information density signal. It isnt actually rational to do economic planning (as all firms do in market economies) off of price, why do you think non-hostile corporate espionage is a thing?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

Then a group of representatives are needed to do it for them, but wait, isn’t that the same thing as a government owning and operating the economy? Like in fascism? Oh no!

Sure, if you ignore all the differences that makes it entirely different, such as:

Democratic control

Local level decision making toward central goals being done by workers and not capitalist overseers

The lack of a profit motive

Claes consciousness, aka we understand how things actually work and we don't have to blame misfortunes on a scapegoat like under capitalism

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 years ago

This won't solve the problem, the root problem is you cannot have both democracy and capitalism.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Tbf Vietnam has a hard time building lines given all the unexploded ordinance that the US left

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

How would it be physically possible to see a whole subway from that one photo

Ngl this is lazy orientalism. You can easily look up whether Pyongyang has a subway system and find photos taken by Westerners of their subway system

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yoy might want to make it clear that you're making fun of nazi apologists

Oh, now do Heart Mountain next!

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