Okay, containing more than 100, 000 people, that work for you?
Okay, and why haven't they succeeded yet?
Okay, you need to actually define authority, because I feel like each anarchist I've encountered has a different definition.
I dont exist in structures where the meeting facilitator has that much of an impact to the point that the meeting would be derailed by a shitty one, but I guess that's a difference between the ways our ideologies organize.
Okay, so would you agree that they failed at forming a classless, stateless society?
are the soviets operated with consent and consensus?
Is this material to whether the soviet is concentrating power? Either way you have a small group of people making legislative and executive actions.
Okay, so, the end result of inspiring people means that their political project succeeded? Their end goal was to inspire people? I thought their end goal was a classless, stateless society?
Thats literally the difference between us, I believe less exploitation is better than waiting for a perfect solution. Socializing the means of production, even if it doesn't eliminate all exploitation, eliminates capitalist exploitation, which is a massive win for the working class as it is the main source of our exploitation.
I'm not sure if after capitalism is destroyed socialist States will actually wither away or not, but Im sure they'll be less bloody to move past than capitalism was if it is the latter.
Okay, so at this point it seems anarchist societies are pretty impossible, if all these principled anarchists end up forming non-anarchist societies over and over again when they win power.
So what is even the point of being an anarchist? To feel good about yourself?
should judge ideologies by their propositions.
Okay, I see. If we are judging ideologies purely by "wouldn't it be nice if" then anarchism is clearly superior.
Well, on second though, no. "wouldn't it be nice if we didn't get defeated by fascists" certainly has a pretty nice ring to it...
And you don't get to no true Scotsman away the Catalonian or Ukrainian anarchists, who did large scale anarchist projects.
Because that gives you generous wiggle room.