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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

All votes are easy to search for and read, if you spend even a second doing so. Here, I've even done that for you: https://hexbear.net/post/1712067. One result is 41 to remain federated with lemm.ee vs. only 4 to defederate, that's >91% pro vs. <9% con, but the admins ignored the 91% and did it anyway.

Similarly, 27 to remain federated with programming.dev vs. 19 to defederate, not quite as dramatic but the former still is the majority at 59%, which is more than "significant" i.e. nowhere close to a tie that could have swung differently based on one or two or even 10% of all votes (which would be a little less than 5 votes, or 4.6 if we aren't rounding to integers, but the difference here is 27-19=8 votes, so almost twice that).

The admins even gave a lengthy explanation about it, including their reasons for having done so:

As an admin team we have never wanted to prioritize growth, and we wanted to give federation with liberal instances a try, however we consider providing a safer browsing experience for marginalized users more important than the opportunity to dunk.

I find the last phrase to be particularly revealing, wherein it is explicitly pointed out that the entire reason to have federated in the first place was for hexbear to spread its ideals, and even more to the point, to make fun of others by rubbing their purported "wrongness" in their faces. I hear nothing here about "interesting conversations", or "listen to the POV of others", or even "I might learn something by having wider access to the Fediverse outside of my echo chamber". Instead it's "the opportunity to dunk".

Now all those facts aside, the thing is, I said:

And the one where the admins took the vote, then ignored it and did the opposite of what the community asked.

Which I have now proved happened - bc 91% usually is thought of as being >9% by reasonable people. Though in response you said:

That never happened. All votes are pretty easy to search if you feel like it.

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but, it did in fact happen. So even if there were good reasons for doing so, it is statements like this that makes me distrust everything that you choose to say. Bc you did not say that "There were good reasons", you instead said "That never happened". How long would it have taken you to search hexbear locally for the key phrase "defederation"? How is it that like an AI, you feel so free to state in such a confident sounding tone of voice that what I said happened had never happened - no caveats added like to your (very limited) knowledge, no asking me for a link to where I believed it happened, you weren't asking whether or not it happened, you confidently asserted that it had not, ever. But in fact, it had.

So now if you tell me that the Tiananmen Square massacre did not happen, ... well it's too late, I'm not listening anymore. You aren't careful with your words, or your facts, proving that you don't even "know" yourself what you think you believe. And I wish I could help you there, at least I kinda do - but I can't, bc I don't know how, and it takes far too much energy & time, e.g. for me to write all this out every time someone who does similarly, deciding (consciously or otherwise) to try to win a conversation by these kinds of tactics, e.g. sea lioning. But at least this much I can offer, just in case it could help someone.

TLDR: If you don't want people to think that you are trolling, then don't act in the same manner that a troll would. Now you know.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 4 points 11 months ago (6 children)

No, the whole point for the federation is to share the content. For one, it allows redundancy so that if a rogue mod or admin decided to delete a bunch of stuff, then every other instance still retains copies of what came from it.

But that said, having to keep everything up to the second, in batches of a single action, is extremely limiting. If I downvote someone with an accidental button press, then undownvote them, then upvote - that could have been just one net interaction to send, but instead it is three.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 11 months ago

That's nice! ☺️

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 11 months ago

Yup. And if instances started defederating from lemmy.ml but not from lemmy.world, then even more accounts on the latter would be created as well. They - as they have continuously stated, publicly - really have zero interest in leaving people alone who simply don't want to hear their shit.

Though the ones with Lemmy.world accounts cannot read posts on hexbear.net directly, so that's a bit of a barrier.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 10 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Supposedly that will change with v0.19.6 (A recent discussion about that here: https://feddit.org/post/3524876), but yeah it's causing smaller instances such as Aussie.Zone to have delays of over 7 days.

I also expressed disbelief that this info would not be bundled somehow - at least put together a package for everything that happened across the entire instance in one second, or one minute could be far better, for servers that can't handle the per-second traffic?

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A surprisingly good movie actually:-).

McCoy's paying someone to alter the archival files (but forgetting to also alter the crosslinks) to mispronunce words aside.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 11 months ago

Was the lonely island skit based on your life story? 😜

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 11 months ago

In fairness, you in particular have lost your mind! (And I for one am glad to not be the only one!:-)

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I just counted some of this in another comment here on this thread "they" being Lemmy.world:

they are definitely the largest by a wide margin! According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, they have >5-fold active users than anyone else. I presume that’s monthly. The next largest instance, is lemmynsfw.com, followed by Lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, etc. but each of those with 2-3k users compared to lemmy.world’s 17.2k. So the latter is bigger than many others (if not quite all of them) combined.

Also, due to how "packets" of data are sent, many smaller instances (like Aussie.zone) have like 7-day delays getting all the data from Lemmy.world, sent at a rate of no more than one action per second (a future Lemmy software update should help with this substantially). I'm not kidding about any of this btw - see e.g. discussion at https://feddit.org/post/3524876.

Edit: I just realized I didn't respond to your "reddit clone” part. Honestly, unless you start talking like Mbin or Piefed or something, that's just Lemmy. I cannot really think of a single counterexample, not really - we all are on "link aggregators", and most of us further are on "general purpose" ones. For that one I can at least think of several counterexamples: as you mentioned, some instances such as programming.dev, StarTrek.website, mander.xyz, aussie.zone, lemmy.ca - all those have a "theme", but those too still allow general purpose usage, and still are forum-like. Then again, they can each have multiple communities, like mander.xyz is science but there are many individual communities underneath that heading. Which is a bit different from Reddit, having only just "subs"?

Also, people on mander.xyz could block everyone from let's say lemmy.ml and/or lemmy.world, if they wanted to. Reddit definitely did not allow that - if you wanted to make a block list, then you had to do it the old fashioned way, one by one!:-)

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 0 points 11 months ago

That stache though...

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