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Everyone knows that Santa Hates Poor Kids (warning: explicit lyrics)!:-P

They are not peas from the same pod though: Lemmy.world mods have already apologized, made some changes to the rules to clarify their points (apparently? I haven't tracked them down yet), and resolved to do better.

Among other places, here: https://lemmy.world/comment/13815531.

In contrast, Lemmy.ml admins have only ever doubled down on their decisions, afaict.

They overlap ever so slightly, yet are worlds apart, imho. Still, it's so good to have options bc if someone doesn't want to be in a particular community, it's great to have the option to jump and be elsewhere. That said, I appreciate many things that Lemmy.World offers to us: especially !tenforward@lemmy.world for funsies, but moreover entirely free access to the best parts of the Fediverse, as well as volunteer, unpaid devotion to moderate communities hosted there. Beggers cannot be choosers, but also, these mods are not billionaires - they are regular people just trying to improve things in their corner of the world, as best as they see fit. Which if we don't like, we'll need to step up and help out ourselves to aid and create new communities to replace those on that instance. That's my 2¢ anyway:-D.

I can't really discuss the actual topic here intelligibly bc I always block !politics@lemmy.world as one of if not the very first action for every new account I make anywhere across the Fediverse (I simply prefer the alternatives like !climate@slrpnk.net and !globalnews@lemmy.zip), nor have I looked into the modlog as you have. But may I make a tangential observation, if it's not too annoying for it to be off-topic like this?

Have you seen the actual - albeit dog whistled - calls for violence, naming actual names and showing actual faces? I just saw one in Shitpost (https://lemmy.world/post/22802422), another in Memes, and there are additional cross-posts as well. Similar content or others that likewise extoll the virtues of violence include Comic Strips (https://mander.xyz/post/21552536) showing up in communities all across Lemmy, like here's one that's not the post itself but rather the comment section in Not The Onion (https://midwest.social/post/20083880).

I thought that such calls for violence - as Admiral Patrick calls it somewhere here in the comments of this post, a "lynch mob mentality" - would die down quickly after the election, but it seems quite the opposite instead. So it's a very emotionally charged issue right now. And I even get it, though aside from rightness or wrongness, people each have their preferences as to what they can stomach, and e.g. someone with lived experience through such (like a school shooting event) may not be able to handle all of this.

Anyway I'm glad that you are sharing alternatives, bc no matter what, we need to not be dependent upon a single instance. But I do see where - again, setting aside right vs. wrong - there's a real split across Lemmy right now about how such matters "should" be handled. At which point I agree with you in spirit that there NEEDS to be transparency in the moderation practices (even if, as others have suggested elsewhere here, this particular situation seems to be the result of a single moderator who may have acted overzealously to protect people from the rhetoric). Perhaps you can write a post to the mods or even admins of that instance asking for such, though it would probably be better to wait a week for this all to die down - perhaps the mod in question will apologize, or even be removed, though what you may want instead (but don't let me put words into your mouth) is a clarification to be made to the wording of the community or instance rules. We really can affect the changes that we'd like to see, much of the time. And if/when not, then at least you know that you did your absolute best to try:-).

Edit: even a few hours later, the process has already begun, see e.g. the apology from the mod at https://lemmy.world/comment/13815531.

One reason not to is that it would block access to such high-profile communities as !Firefox@lemmy.ml. It looks like at least one person on this instance is subscribed to that community. Then again, new users are constantly getting themselves banned for no reason that they can fathom - perhaps mentioning China or Russia or North Korea in a not-favorable-enough light? - and it's very confusing and off-putting to them, which like hexbear.net can drive them away from interacting on the Fediverse. Ofc that instance can do as it pleases, but so too can we and why choose to host such content here when the admin practices are so confusing, lacking transparency? Also many hexbears have alts there that they use to troll with (though tbf if a bunch of places started defederating from lemmy.ml, they would simply move elsewhere - but still, it would help somewhat even if not perfectly!).

The real trick is that there, far more so than on hexbear, many innocent users exist that would get caught up in the sweep. Ideally we could turn off access to it by default, but then allow people to opt-in to it if they wanted? And/or at least provide a warning label so that new users are not taken unawares when trying to comment in communities located on that instance - bc once you know the rules, to avoid discussing anything even remotely political, then it's fine? Except neither of those is functionality that exists on Lemmy.

So yeah, I am strongly in favor of defederating it too. Not as a punitive measure but a supportive one to maximize welcoming new users to the Fediverse. I wholly support the decision of e.g. lemm.ee to not defederate from lemmy.ml - bc that's what best implements their own vision of maximizing not welcomingness but total access to as much of the Fediverse from one account as possible - but at the same time, that's not what we are about here. The mission of Discuss.Online is very different, and for us (again, for new users of this instance) it seems to me to make sense, to defederate from lemmy.ml? But I will support whatever our fearless leaders - who do literally all of the admin work:-P - decide in this regard (but I will indeed hold out hope for this outcome!:-).

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Believe it or not, but I was lazy myself in writing my comment. It would have been better to have a question mark at the end. ❓

Knowing that you survived probably gives you a nice hormonal boost:-).

Show up at 6:00 to find out!

Thank you for voicing your support.

Survivorship bias: those who live through the encounter have lowered stress.😁

Pure water would be bad, but salt somehow works, just like going to the beach (even if you are thousands of miles away:-D).