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PieFed will show it. But Lemmy from a mobile won't show a sidebar for posts, only for the community, as you are also seeing on Boost (and I don't see it on Mbin or using Voyager either). So the info is there, but not nearly so easily presented unless someone is using a desktop, PieFed, or perhaps some apps might show it.

Then again, whoever made the community and the existing userbase gets to decide what they want done.

Fwiw, some methods of access to Lemmy make it extremely obvious - the desktop browser mode puts it into the "sidebar" area on the side, and PieFed even from a mobile device puts the sidebar text down below every single post - while certain apps and the mobile basic web UI does not show it by default.

Even as I type this the list is directly to the right of my text, though most of the time I just use Firefox on Android and then it does not show.

I dunno if this explanation helps but I was trying to convey how different people access this site via different methods (even on different days or times of day), so it perhaps gets confusing then when some people see the direction to do things one way, but then new users don't see that.

Kudos, I admire your restraint in not going off half-cocked while in that state ~~as I have been known to have done myself from time to time~~ :-)

I am trying to break things down into their component parts.

First, your lists are absolutely helpful, for many reasons even those unrelated to this incident, but for helping the Fediverse become less decentralized overall - so thank you for them:-).

Second, I have mostly avoided thinking about the actual admins yet bc I haven't heard anything from them directly yet - though indirectly from the mod in question I did hear that the admins plan to modify the ToS to increase its transparency in relation to such things. It does valid to me that they need to worry about the police 🚨 knocking on their door 🚓, hence panicked a bit when they all that stuff. It's also hard to figure some of that stuff out bc even if Lemmy.World is in - I don't even know where, Germany? UK? France? somewhere in the EU I would suppose - if the USA feds were to ask them to remove it or else face some troubles, what kind of pressure would that place upon them?

Third, the actions of the actual mod in question have given me strong hope for the livelihood of the Fediverse in general - she apologized immediately, rescinded the bans, offered an explanation, and also her reasoning besides, and explained what she should have done and promised will do in the future instead.

I offered more depth on these matters in a recent reply to this comment from Blaze.

Not at all. Though she merely did as the instance admins instructed her? (mostly) And they seemed to be worried about police knocking down their door, as laws vary from country to country.

Her part was, as she said in her own words, to have removed the comments and banned people (no matter that they were extremely short-term, are already rescinded, and no more will be forthcoming for some of these issues), when she should have locked the post with a statement that the admins were issuing a moratorium on discussions of the topic for 24 hours and/or when they can get the ToS modified to provide transparency and consistency in what their want to see done. It's their instance - they can do as they please. But her part in this seems only a small one, it's the admins - who I haven't heard anything from yet - who seem the real issuers of these edicts?

And as for myself, I am seeking a more nuanced and subtle form of argumentation beyond simply "my side always right, their side poopy buttface". Though I do have sympathy for those who may have been affected by the underlying healthcare issues, and yet it seems like a proper diagnosis with full acknowledgement of all not just some of the factors involved that would serve us all best as we move forward here?

And I meant what I said at the end:

I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.

There may be bad parts about all of this here, but in retrospect it will become easier to see how well this conflict ended up being resolved - the transparency that I'm seeing here gives me strong hope. Like, where are the admins here in this thread, explaining their actions? If it's here I haven't seen it yet, but this mod came forth immediately and owned up to what she did, her explanation as to why, and even exposing her underlying reasoning process - she didn't have to do any of that?! And she's taking a LOT of flak for it too, especially her belief structures. Maybe we'll find out that the admins are being PTBs here, but that's not the vibe I get from this mod in particular, who seemed only trying to be friendly to everyone, and again, already having admitted her mistakes (in removing+banning rather than locking with explanation).

So, what am I missing here, about this mod in particular I mean? (The admins I don't have sufficient information about to even make a guess.)

The mod's actual account name is little_cow@lemmy.world, but anyone can put a "nickname" for themselves that shows up in place of their name, and the same goes true for communities who want to change their name without breaking all of the past and current links to it.

And according to her, she was directed to do exactly what she did by an instance admin. At least at first, and then apparently the admins told her to do otherwise and not consider them a violation anymore? Anyway I'm not defending nor accusing her, and frankly I don't really care about the underlying issue much (definitely not until I could research it more fully than I have yet), so I'm focusing here solely on the drama meta-aspects.

Notably she offered apologies for her actions and also some explanations along with stating that the admins are working on modifying the ToS to clarify their policies better in the future - all of which I definitely commend for the sake of transparency and remaining accountable to the world-community of all Lemmings / Fedizens. And she seems to have some good points there, not that I know anything about the details but if true could really get the instance owners in trouble perhaps? Or at least they seemed to think so at the time?

i am not from the united states and there are countries with laws differant from the united states I was asked to remove these things for this reason

The main and secondary apologies I saw in https://sh.itjust.works/post/29086287, specifically at https://lemmy.world/comment/13815531. Whereupon she was raked over the coals, despite the short term nature of the bans, which she stated have all been lifted already nor will there be more forthcoming. It's definitely a controversial issue for sure but if anything I'm liking her approach of honesty and transparency about the whole sordid affair, whereas the people whinging seem to be blowing the matter far out of proportion. Though perhaps I would feel differently if I were denied care myself, and yet moving forward with such contentious topics I understand takes time to digest fully, especially to check the laws to ensure that such discussions are allowed to continue without causing police intervention.

In any case you may be interested in joining the community the above post is in, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com, and also !fediverselore@lemmy.ca that both discuss such Fediverse drama incidents as this.:-)

Discuss.Online is currently federated with hexbear.net, but there is an active petition to defederate from it.

That's the thing - if someone wants to go to all the trouble to step up and expend actual effort to create an instance, or aid by moderating a community, or even make posts to existing ones, then such a person imho has more of a right to speak up than merely a lurker. Otherwise, it's just whinging, and the people may even have had to do the same if they were in your shoes, following the directives that you were given, regardless of their personal beliefs.

So again I haven't studied the issue enough to know whether it was the right call or not, either by the admins or by you, but I hope as you make that determination in your head that you aren't unduly influenced by people who choose to see only what they view as the extreme negative (as in result) without bothering to look at or acknowledge all the positives that you do as well. Making a judgement is hard work!

Please keep in mind that many people, perhaps out of fear of retaliation (if only by downvoting) may not take the time to express any positive sentiments about this (or, as I am considering doing, may take a break from social media a bit bc all of this news, in every single community it seems, is getting to be a bit much). Thus before I go on that break for a few days, I wanted to express my support for at least trying to help and be there for your community - even if you ultimately feel that it was the wrong call (and I'm not even so much as hinting here that it may have been - I truly don't know nor at this point even care), you did at least try and I wish more people would see that. After some cooling off, I think some will. And for those who choose to remain perpetual entitled children, dependent upon others to do all their work for them (in this case I mean moderation EFFORTS to keep a community going and livable), who even cares what they think.

I dunno about the actions you took here, but I do at least support the efforts you go to on a daily basis to support keeping your community alive and functional.

Account -> Settings -> Export to a JSON file, then in the new instance after creating your new account Import it. It will remember your community subscriptions and block lists, but if people send messages to your old account there is currently no way to forward them to the new. You could put a message in your old account (Bio area I guess?) to let people know.

@Blaze@feddit.org has some nice lists of instances to move to, if you haven't made a decision yet. Like lemm.ee if you want access to everything on the Fediverse - including hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml that I don't recommend but you do you - and is the #3 Lemmy instance by size, or sh.itjust.works (#4 instance) seems quite nice. Conversely, Lemmy.cafe (UK) or quokk.au (Australia), or dubvee.org are the only ones defederated from the big three tankie instances including even lemmy.ml, if you want that. Lemmy.ca for Canada, feddit.org German + English, lemmy.dbzer0.com for anarchism, Discuss.Online for USA, and ofc there are themed ones as well.

Here is a really nice website tool to help show you info about each instance: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list.

I don't know if temporarily muting those accounts was the right call or not - I did not even look at the pictures of the modlog here much less elsewhere - but entirely separately from that I wanted to say thank you for offering your explanation here. Whatever you end up deciding, your willingness to be introspective is already a powerful thing.

They have their moderation style, you would do differently, and regardless of right or wrong the goal is to match moderation activities to the community desires. But that probably will require additional volunteers to really get off the ground, so that's perhaps something that you could do? Ofc I cannot speak to your condition wrt your life status right now, I just hoped to point to whatever I could to help you realize that you are not powerless nor alone in wanting a sense of justice to be enacted - the trick being whose justice, especially when dealing with global cross-cultural values.

Wherever we go forward from here, it will require effort. And making that list is a good start:-).

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