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Not as the main driving force but I'd help out sure (I'd have to learn the tools, I've never done it on Lemmy before). Do you have ideas for a team yet?

I thought you mentioned they were related as in the presence of HB trolling would turn away too many Redditors from wanting to stay on Lemmy (it almost did me), so while definitely the defederation is a different topic, yet it is related as in a necessary precondition even if not sufficient on its own.

And I put so much material about other instances in case for some people the defederation of HB was a dealbreaker, now they know what options there are moving forward. Although personally I'm very happy with this outcome:-).

That YouTuber is outstanding - I always enjoy his stuff, thank you for sharing:-).

(1) irrelevant, bc I was discussing their fears, but really the admins can do whatever they wish, at any time, for any reason. We are free to cry about it, or leave, but it's theirs to do with whatever they will.

(2) Fox News in the USA had to pay nearly a billion dollar settlement for their misinformation. OAN was shut down. More importantly, CSAM exists and people fear to have it on their servers, and regardless of the direct ethical implications there are some extremely strong legal ones as well. Piracy websites likewise get taken down constantly, even for "only" sharing links to where content is hosted "elsewhere". I am sure that if someone legitimately wanted to know the direct answer to your question (not me) they could perhaps spend some time searching for the answer?

But again, aside from you changing the subject of this conversation, it's irrelevant in the first place, bc the fear itself is real.

This post seems relevant: https://lemmy.world/post/18414833.

It is somewhat hilarious to read all the comments saying the exact opposite of that though. Some of them almost outright state how they did not bother to read it in the slightest, while others merely make that clear based on what they claim about it.

Whenever I think that people won't surprise me any longer, a whole bunch of volunteers show up to lower the bar.

B-b-B-b-B-ut...!

Not according to the very mod who did the action, which you can read about here. The admins panicked over the (very real imho) threat of police repercussions, so they told her to stop such posts and comments (in retrospect, she wished that she had preemptively locked the post so as to be able to hand out fewer bans while still muting the topic for awhile), and then later the admins said to reverse course so she apologized, reversed the bans, and told people to wait on this updated ToS, which took time to draft and get consensus for. It was all extremely quick, including her apology mere hours after the event?

So yes the ToS itself took a few days to arrive, but the decision to stop handing out bans for the topic happened days before that, long before most of this upswell of resistance even had time to propagate much.

Nothing is ever truly "free" - e.g. you are "free" to fly, but you still need a plane (or helicopter, spaceship, hang glider, rocket backpack, or some other means of conveyance) to make it happen for you. And like, how would one even "speak" on the internet, without some device to send the electronic signals out? Plus there needs to be a recipient machine, to receive those signals, then further broadcast them literally around the entire world...

On Lemmy.World, people are "free" to discuss matters - so long as they do not violate either the community standards (if you don't like those, make your own) or the instance rules aka ToS (same).

It's their machines, it's their rules. At least they offered a clarification here as to what, more precisely, they will be moving forward. In a more nuanced take where since "absolute freedom" is a ridiculous concept that never exists (even the sun will go out one day, due to entropy - everything, literally everything must bow to at the very least entropy, and every other physical rule of the universe as well), this rule clarification actually increases "freedom of speech", by more clearly delineating what someone is allowed to say on Lemmy.World, so that they can type it all out and not be (as) fearful of it being removed and thereby (mostly) wasted.

Anyway, I thought I would offer that thought for consideration just in case.

Okay, but to be clear: the admins panicked against the very real possibility of police shutting them down, and took a moment to make certain that Lemmy.World can continue to exist to serve this or any needs of people across the world. The bans have already expired, the mod who did it apologized and said that no new ones would be forthcoming, the ToS have been clarified, etc. Yes there was "suppression", but for like 1-3 days, and it's already over?

Unless you mean that people should be free to advocate for future murders, and I would argue that there are other (e.g. anarchy) instances for that, but Lemmy.World is free to do as they please, and to restrict such on their own hardware.

I am saying that "suppression" seems too harsh a word here imho, when the ToS now clearly delineates the line between what is or is not allowed on the LW instance and thereby communities located on it. Isn't that a success then, to define the parameters within which the instance is allowed to discuss these matters (again, by police, a very real external factor that definitely truly does exist - and can come down HARD on those who would want to FAAFO), so kinda the opposite of "suppression" then? Well, according to some manner of using the term at any rate - not everything is allowed, but definitely not nothing along these lines is either.

Like, surely you've seen the veritable FLOOD of posts and comments in just about every community imaginable across the entire Fediverse lately, alternately either promoting this guy as a hero or decrying him as a terrorist? That's not "suppression" in my book - again, the jury nullification matter was, days ago, but that's already over? The nuances here are important, b/c we cannot have true freedom without being responsible to keep this place alive & kicking & not shut down.

The amount of times I am tempted to write "okay but this isn't an airport, you don't need to announce your departure..." is too damn high!:-P

So very many people clamoring to speak, yet refusing to listen:-|.

It's their computers, their network storage, their internet hosting costs - they can do as they please. So too can you, e.g. move elsewhere, or even spin up your own instance. This shit gets expensive though, and people have irl jobs as well - this is VOLUNTEER efforts on their part!?!?

Be the change that you want to see in the world. And then watch as others are similarly not impressed.

Fwiw, I for one am impressed though, at the speed with which they got all of this done. I am not advocating that people use Lemmy.World - in fact I think they should not, but for other reasons of decentralization rather than this - but I do appreciate their efforts on behalf of keeping the entire Fediverse alive and going (as opposed to e.g. the police being able to shut the server down, which may or may not have happened but anyway it's a legit fear that they were reacting against imho), which enriches us all.