The odd part is that I am not subscribed to any such community myself - not even the various Shower Thoughts ones:-). Occasionally I will run into such a post on All or such, and if there is a need then I am willing to help with something but the communities I tend to frequent on my own initiative are like !Fediverse@lemmy.world, !fedimemes@feddit.uk, !tenforward@lemmy.world, and the Fediverse "drama" communities.
You cannot and that's understandable. Please do take care of yourself and your kids though:-).
Technically there are some places in the USA that are that old or even older - but like the Grand Canyon, so representing natural formations or belonging to indigenous peoples rather than towns made by the conquerors.
I believe that @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world wants to leave? :-P
Family members have told me that I should think about it. Anyone who advocates for liberal values especially trans rights is going to have a hard time of things.
Although if we don't stand against it, what then? Caveat: I don't have kids, and those who do need to think of them first. We need to do what we can, within the realm of the possible, imho. And that will require tough calls about which battles are worth fighting - along with where, and how, and when, etc.
There has been a surprisingly low impact actually. I think we're all just outright numb from the shock. Even conservatives did not seem to expect this - gearing up as they had been for conflict. But this is just the calm before the storm. Underneath it... we can feel the tension, rising, and we are afraid.
And even when the wait is over - what will happen? Will RFK ban anyone from taking vaccines, or just stop government payments for them? Will the DOJ (and many other agencies) cease to exist, or will their heads merely be replaced and they keep on going - or will they pretend to keep going and yet actually be gutted? Traditionally, despite all the talk to the contrary, far more important than the Presidency is Congress who makes the laws, but how will they interpret the will of the people? e.g. will tariffs make food prices go UP (ofc they will), and then how will the leopards try to spin that to sound like a net positive?
We're all waiting to find out.
I agree with you that it's cultural. "Should DT win or not" is political, but "how will we handle DT having already won" is cultural:-).
I'll help out by clarifying: regardless of whether Discuss.Online allows such, I don't want to be moderator of a community that would skirt the law so closely, so I don't want it here in !AskUSA@discuss.online, at least under my moderatorship.
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I am actually getting quite nervous even meta-discussing this discussion of how people would discuss such matters. I am no lawyer, and I want to stay SO VERY FAR AWAY from the legal line that I don't have to worry about whether - oopsie daisy! - it has been crossed or not. I already have stress in my irl and this isn't helping! Our discussions of creating a place such as AskUSA predated all of this jury nullifcation topic, and I hoped merely to help provide a "welcoming" and "fun" and "safe" place for Americans to enjoy visiting - and I'm still offering to do all of that much - but the rest of this, is getting to be too much for me!? Sorry if I did not realize what you were ultimately pushing for - I'm not commenting on rightness vs. wrongness to want such here, just that I don't think I can help you with fulfilling that desire, which especially in the upcoming changing legal landscape within the USA, is more than a little on the extreme end of what might even be theoretically possible (and quite possibly is not, legally speaking, or else may become so very very soon).
Furthermore, if Discuss.Online was itself okay with it, and someone else wanted to moderate it, then I'm totally okay to hand over this exact community to whoever would step up for such? (in that case... please tell me what buttons to press? I am new to the mod tools here and I don't see that option, or maybe we'd need to get an admin involved? anyway I'm totally supportive of such if that's what people wanted, so I could initiate a request to them in such a case?) I have no desire to "squat" this community name and outright prevent discussions that people feel like should be here.
Though if we want to keep AskUSA as light-hearted and fun, and to put politicaldiscussions@whereverelse, then that works too (in that case I still hope that people would join this community to help moderate it).
I hope this helps paint a vision moving forward?
jgrim is the moderator of this community as well as an admin of this instance, so I suppose it is entirely up to him. Though while not wanting to put words into his mouth, that sounds neither "safe" nor "welcoming" to me at all, to discuss murder.
To be clear, if that were in !AskUSA@discuss.online though, then I would say no myself as moderator of the community, even if the instance rules themselves allowed it. On a personal level it might be fodder for an interesting philosophical discussion, so long as it remained entirely theoretical, but I would not like to see the slippery slope that such discussions would attract, in a place meant more for light-hearted fun & cutesy stuff.
And isn't social media supposed to be "fun"? I am getting nervous here even just meta-discussing the topic of discussing such controversial topics! I am saying that to help explain why this topic isn't "welcoming" - if it puts people off, then isn't that by definition not entirely welcoming?
If your goal though is to see how far you can push the law, then it sounds like someone would need a lawyer? I am not one, nor do I have money I want to pay to one to find out. Why does it matter where the exact line could theoretically be drawn, if it's so dangerous to even approach it? Like child porn or piracy - even if merely sharing links to such rather than the reality of such directly, sites get taken down all the time, and then those sites aren't useful for anything at all.
I get that you are trying to do some kind of morality crusade about the rightness of the cause of whatever, but nobody knows what the USA is going to look like in the next month, 3 months, 6 months, or a year. The DOJ (Department of Justice) may be removed entirely, along with several other departments in the government, and what will then take its place?! Even if that were not true though, the DOJ could ask Discuss.Online for the IP addresses of everyone who interacts with this server. With names and identities revealed, anyone who has commented on this post may be investigated. Why risk that? And totally aside from any consequences to users, what if some agency had to ask jgrim and lazyguru for such records every single time a post like this happened - or even anytime someone responded, or even voted? It could be a huge nuisance even just to comply. Or not, what do I know, but I didn't sign on to make another, better, more friendly 4chan, or to come anywhere within a mile (or kilometer, whatever) of something even remotely illegal.
And telling people that murder is okay - regardless of the rightness or wrongness of such (e.g. even if not serious but merely to lay off some steam) - seems to fall into that category?
You say it's definitely not 4chan, but it sounds an awfully lot like 4chan, or if you meant to make it better than that, the difference hasn't been made clear, nor how much effort it would take to achieve, nor do I see anyone volunteering to do that effort either. (Edit: and to be clear, I'm not volunteering for such either.)
But then couldn’t this topic being discussed on LW as well now, even with the new ToS?
Exactly my point - they aren't forbidding all discussion on the topic? Well, tbf at the very beginning they did panic, then they took 3 days to clarify the ToS, but now such discussion is entirely allowed. Just not outright actual illegal stuff, like that guy wanting to sabotage their physical machines to bring them down - that stuff ofc remains illegal, and advocating for murder is illegal. If anyone wants to find a place to discuss illegal activities, it's not so much that it's impossible but it does sound like something better suited to an anarchist instance? Though it's not something that I'd want to be involved in.
AskUSA was an idea that predated all of this jury nullification controversy, where we wanted to make particularly Redditors feel more comfortable migrating over to Lemmy, despite all the objections like "it's run by tankies" and "it's more for an international audience than me inside the USA". For that purpose, it's progressing along nicely is it not?
Though a truly "free speech" instance like the Magats are asking for, essentially 4chan, isn't something that the vast majority of Fedizens want, and we would defederate any such server that was created.
In-between all of these extremes is ofc a vast middle ground, and yet police really do exist, so my guess is that any instance located within the USA would not be suitable for discussions of topics that come anywhere even remotely close to skirting the law here. But even if that were not true, I still personally would not want to be involved - especially as a moderator! There are too many nutjobs that would be attracted to such, it sounds like an enormous undertaking, plus a highly unpleasant one.
Discuss.Online is nowhere close to a complete free speech instance, as I see it. It is about fostering nice, safe conversations about cute things like bunny rabbits.
4chan is more where people are completely free to say whatever they want - and we know how that turns out.
Generally I find that people discussing things entirely in good faith can do so almost anywhere and with anyone? But social media gets tricky bc it also invites people in who refuse to abide by those rules, and then we end up all having to play by the rules of the lowest common denominator.
Actually Beehaw is an interesting place where they really do put in the effort to curate the precise experience that they wish. Yet there is no way they could keep up with tens of thousands of people all clamoring for attention, yet refusing to abide themselves by any rules.
The practical reality of social media precludes such discussions as you seem to want to have. Someone is going to have to expend the effort to curate the stuff, or else it ends up being mostly uncurated. Lemmy.World has already stepped up to provide the rules by which they will offer to curate the stuff. If someone does not like that, they can spin up an instance and do better, or find an already existing one that is amenable.
"He" = also his team of writers, so really I have no idea who he is. But I love his show so very very very much nonetheless:-). Ofc part of what he portrays is an act, but dayum is it a good, wholesome one!:-D